and anyone got any idea's on how they pull their gather? I've seen where someone's said to complete the flower and then gather, but thats just rough on the fabric when you pull it in my opinion... just wanted to get more info on these 2 things if anyone would help it'd be great!
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My stitching has been getting better and alittle more consistant but theres a few things that are bugging me! When I get done with a flower before i tie the last knot i'll pull the hexagons from the pent just alittle and sometimes i can see the stitch!!! Its annoying, i never noticed it until my last 2 bags were made, that you can see a stitch or 2 when the bag was complete only when you pulled at it.... what would cause you to see a stitch? Im playing around with it now and just notice that the stitch goes away with more gather, but i dont wanna gather too much especially to hide a problem... the stitches look straight to me, but im just lost on why you'd be able to see stitching.
and anyone got any idea's on how they pull their gather? I've seen where someone's said to complete the flower and then gather, but thats just rough on the fabric when you pull it in my opinion... just wanted to get more info on these 2 things if anyone would help it'd be great!
and anyone got any idea's on how they pull their gather? I've seen where someone's said to complete the flower and then gather, but thats just rough on the fabric when you pull it in my opinion... just wanted to get more info on these 2 things if anyone would help it'd be great!
if you are able to see the thread once a panel is done, you just need to gather more. yes, low gather bags are softer off the bat, but they tend to become 'floppy' and harder to set straight. try making your panels larger and gathering more to achieve the same size when complete.
as far as the act of gathering, i have always sewn a flower and then gathered around a battery at the end, i've never had a problem with any tearing or weakening of the material. are you stitching with floss, or using some other kind of thread?
as far as the act of gathering, i have always sewn a flower and then gathered around a battery at the end, i've never had a problem with any tearing or weakening of the material. are you stitching with floss, or using some other kind of thread?
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Thanks for the information! 1 bag i had a bigger problem with the stitching was a very loosely gathered bag, so i tightened up the next one alittle bit but a few stitches were still seen...
I walked into Joanne fabrics and asked for the strongest thread they got, an they showed me some black thread thats kinda thick and doesnt bunch together or tangle easy, its nice stuff...
When i do the whole flower and then gather it seems to only gather 2 sides of the pent... the only way i can think of gathering around the whole pent is if i were to leave the first side loose, and then pull the gather from the last side and the first side then tie the knot... my techniqe to start is just knotting the threat then begin stitching so the first stitch is held by the knot and the last stitch is tied around the first stitches knot... if that makes since..
I walked into Joanne fabrics and asked for the strongest thread they got, an they showed me some black thread thats kinda thick and doesnt bunch together or tangle easy, its nice stuff...
When i do the whole flower and then gather it seems to only gather 2 sides of the pent... the only way i can think of gathering around the whole pent is if i were to leave the first side loose, and then pull the gather from the last side and the first side then tie the knot... my techniqe to start is just knotting the threat then begin stitching so the first stitch is held by the knot and the last stitch is tied around the first stitches knot... if that makes since..
after gathering at the end you will want to work the bunching around to all 5 sides so that it is even.
you might want to try making a bag using waxed dental floss rather than heavy thread. many people on here swear by it, myself included, and it actually makes stitching faster. you don't need to tie any knots! just leave around 10-15 millimeters of floss and melt it down with a lighter to form a little ball. just be careful not to burn the bag
you might want to try making a bag using waxed dental floss rather than heavy thread. many people on here swear by it, myself included, and it actually makes stitching faster. you don't need to tie any knots! just leave around 10-15 millimeters of floss and melt it down with a lighter to form a little ball. just be careful not to burn the bag
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im not too sure about the dental floss... it sounds like a good idea, but just doesnt sound right to me lol... i can give it a try sometime though... I've been trying to work gather around the pent when i get done sewing before i tie the knot but that takes forever!! haha
Ah well it all just comes with practice.
Ah well it all just comes with practice.
i used floss at the beginning and i switched to upholtery. floss is resistant but it will never break in. so your bag will keep it shape longer. BUT now that i use upholtery (single thread, i stitch with 2 then pull one out). my bags are way much softer. but if i want to keep my bag rounder, i just need to play with the colors. you prolly know that all colors of USL arent the same, ie: tulip is weak and black is thick. you need to learn your colors, some colors are good for pents only.
thick pents with soft hexes make great bags imo but if you go thick hexes and soft pents, youll have something harder ( thats what i experimented )
and for your "i see my stitch" issue, like Will_T said, go with a larger template and gather more, you dont need to high gather a bag to "lose" your thread, i gather my pents with a pen cap and i dont gather hard on it. only 1 gather at the end and you are in business.
fyi, upholtery is VERY solid, Tom Mosher told me once:" why do you use that thread ?? you should use floss, its way tougher than your thread, im sure" (something like that) and i gave him a bit of it and he wanted to break it. he couldnt break a single thread of upholtery with his hands, and when i tried, it hurted my hands (not much because i didnt really want to hurt me ... ) you can buy upholtery for like 3$ for 300 yards.
and btw, upholtery IS fabric, so it will break in too
(which causes other problems tho
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i hope this helps
thick pents with soft hexes make great bags imo but if you go thick hexes and soft pents, youll have something harder ( thats what i experimented )
and for your "i see my stitch" issue, like Will_T said, go with a larger template and gather more, you dont need to high gather a bag to "lose" your thread, i gather my pents with a pen cap and i dont gather hard on it. only 1 gather at the end and you are in business.
fyi, upholtery is VERY solid, Tom Mosher told me once:" why do you use that thread ?? you should use floss, its way tougher than your thread, im sure" (something like that) and i gave him a bit of it and he wanted to break it. he couldnt break a single thread of upholtery with his hands, and when i tried, it hurted my hands (not much because i didnt really want to hurt me ... ) you can buy upholtery for like 3$ for 300 yards.
and btw, upholtery IS fabric, so it will break in too
i hope this helps
There are lots of flosses, and lots of them are WRONG for footbag stitching!
I recommend Johnson + Johnson REACH Flouride Mint Waxed Floss.
DO NOT BUY JOHNSON + JOHNSON "CLEANBURST" FLOSS!
Whatever it is that they put in it to make it burst with cleanliness makes it bad for melting.
I recommend Johnson + Johnson REACH Flouride Mint Waxed Floss.
DO NOT BUY JOHNSON + JOHNSON "CLEANBURST" FLOSS!
Whatever it is that they put in it to make it burst with cleanliness makes it bad for melting.
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I think i just realized something... When i got done sewing a pent I'd focus on getting all the gather on all the sides of the pent the same... it took forever. But if you guys gather with a battery or pen cap, do you just pull the thread when your done stitching (before the knot) around the battery or pencap and then just tie the knot... because after the knot is tied you can go back and pull the pents and hexs around the whole pent to get the gather consistant all the way around the pent?
I use the upholstry thread i believe, its the strongest joannes had, and it comes on a spool like 2 inches tall and is 200-300 yards (cant remember which)... it seems like tough thread and hasnt broke yet, but i havent played much since its far too cold outside!
I've got a bag im working on now thats white and red (white pents red hexes) and the red is thicker than the white, and soon as im done its going to a buddy few towns away that apparently plays everyday with his classmates... it'll be fun to see what he says about a bag that I have Sewn!
I use the upholstry thread i believe, its the strongest joannes had, and it comes on a spool like 2 inches tall and is 200-300 yards (cant remember which)... it seems like tough thread and hasnt broke yet, but i havent played much since its far too cold outside!
I've got a bag im working on now thats white and red (white pents red hexes) and the red is thicker than the white, and soon as im done its going to a buddy few towns away that apparently plays everyday with his classmates... it'll be fun to see what he says about a bag that I have Sewn!
yep, that is what they do.Richardlss wrote:do you just pull the thread when your done stitching (before the knot) around the battery or pencap and then just tie the knot... because after the knot is tied you can go back and pull the pents and hexs around the whole pent to get the gather consistant all the way around the pent?
as for me, I gather as I go. I stitch an edge, and I gather it to the amount that I prefer, then double the hex-hex stitch, which locks the gather in place. before the next edge is locked, you can make slight adjustments to the previous one.
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This.Richardlss wrote:I think i just realized something... When i got done sewing a pent I'd focus on getting all the gather on all the sides of the pent the same... it took forever. But if you guys gather with a battery or pen cap, do you just pull the thread when your done stitching (before the knot) around the battery or pencap and then just tie the knot... because after the knot is tied you can go back and pull the pents and hexs around the whole pent to get the gather consistant all the way around the pent?
Upholstery thread is good, but not a guaranteed thread to use for footbag in the small chance a stitch busts apart due to filler or bag abuse. Trust me, it happens, a lot of people neglect it, and it's frustrating for both the consumer that bought the bag and the stitcher who has too much pride to admit that they made a footbag with a shoddy technique.
Floss is awesome. Button thread is awesome. Some other type of thread that is reliably strong after knotting is awesome. Just focus on your technique, and how you knot.
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Good info guys, and while were on topic of knots... this is how I tie mine...
Before I begin stitching I tie 4 knots at the end of the thread, then begin sewing, when I get done with the last hex, i sew to the first hex, and then tie my knot... I do a regular knot and pull it down below the first knot, so i cross back over to the pent and knot below the first know...
Im thinking about trying to sew from the hex side first, because i've noticed that the first stitch i can see is usually the first stitch i make, and i think its because i sew the first stitch in close to the knot so i can evenly space out the 3 stitches on the pent side... so if i start the knot on the hex side it should be able to give me room to space out the stitching on the pent side better... just something im going to try.
When i was practicing on microsuede I'd double stitch the hex to hex, to eliminate bleed holes better, but using facile i stopped doing that because the bleed holes are barely even there... i cant see how you could really fill up a bag or loose through the bleed holes since they are too small... i use 29% short side hex because im not too big on triangular looking hex's, and i still dont seem to have issues with leaking bags just yet... but as soon as i get better at stitching and feel more confident with my technique/filler/and overall bag quality then im going to send some out to you guys to get some reviews
Thanks again for everyone that's helped me with my questions!
Before I begin stitching I tie 4 knots at the end of the thread, then begin sewing, when I get done with the last hex, i sew to the first hex, and then tie my knot... I do a regular knot and pull it down below the first knot, so i cross back over to the pent and knot below the first know...
Im thinking about trying to sew from the hex side first, because i've noticed that the first stitch i can see is usually the first stitch i make, and i think its because i sew the first stitch in close to the knot so i can evenly space out the 3 stitches on the pent side... so if i start the knot on the hex side it should be able to give me room to space out the stitching on the pent side better... just something im going to try.
When i was practicing on microsuede I'd double stitch the hex to hex, to eliminate bleed holes better, but using facile i stopped doing that because the bleed holes are barely even there... i cant see how you could really fill up a bag or loose through the bleed holes since they are too small... i use 29% short side hex because im not too big on triangular looking hex's, and i still dont seem to have issues with leaking bags just yet... but as soon as i get better at stitching and feel more confident with my technique/filler/and overall bag quality then im going to send some out to you guys to get some reviews
Thanks again for everyone that's helped me with my questions!
the way i stitch mine, the first stitch on a panel is from hex to pent. i dont want to care about the thread when i stitch so i just make a "U" in the needle with my thread and when i panel is done stitching, i pull one out. that way, for my knot, i have only 2 thread to knots on the side of the hex. that might be dumb, but actualy, it works for me. i think (since i have upholtery) too much knots is better than not enough. so i do 3 single knots, 1 double then 3 more singles.
and for your gather question. when i place my pen cap, i gather the thread around it, then make my first knots, pull out the tool since its useless at this point, then i finish all the other ones.
gathering at the end of a panel can cause some problems and solve some too. you just need to know what you want to have. using a tool gonna make your bag ultra even without effort (exept for the last panel that youll have to do manualy) but the panel wont be locked .... sides can move that way .. if you lock them by doubling the hex stitch, they wont move but you might do an unevenly gathered bag. you can get good at gathering side by side (like MC) and make awesome/even bags.
and for your gather question. when i place my pen cap, i gather the thread around it, then make my first knots, pull out the tool since its useless at this point, then i finish all the other ones.
gathering at the end of a panel can cause some problems and solve some too. you just need to know what you want to have. using a tool gonna make your bag ultra even without effort (exept for the last panel that youll have to do manualy) but the panel wont be locked .... sides can move that way .. if you lock them by doubling the hex stitch, they wont move but you might do an unevenly gathered bag. you can get good at gathering side by side (like MC) and make awesome/even bags.
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I'll give the tool (probably a AA battery) and see how it comes out... Im still thinking about the first stitch, ur method seems good if im thinking of it right... Im just tossing around a few idea's for the starting stitch... starting from the hex to pent would solve my first problem with it showing the stitch... All together I have 7 knots on a pent when i finish, 4 knots initially after I thread the needle, and 3 knots when i finish the pent and knot down around the original knot...
I havent had a chance to try any of the tool idea or hex to pent stitch just yet, but as soon as i get my day off i'll finish up this bag and see how it works out
THanks again guys
I havent had a chance to try any of the tool idea or hex to pent stitch just yet, but as soon as i get my day off i'll finish up this bag and see how it works out