learning the flipside

maverick-morley · Post by **maverick-morley** » 01 Aug 2009 08:41

[quote="jay7"]I did the same thing, but I caught myself a bit earlier than you did. One thing that really helped me learn, and alot faster, was to study your strong side.

100million percent agree, this is how im gettin my clipper on my flipside. i spent agest studyin position of my knees, at what point on my leg i crossed over, how much i cranked, cushioned, everything. i looked abit daft but i felt alot more confident when trying flip side. and as a reasult im LEARNING clipper on my flip alot FASTER than my strong side.

though note, i not got it yet, but it coming together, after only a week of trying.

hope the sugg works for you!!!

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 09 Aug 2009 05:22

Just posting to express my agreement with what's been said in this topic. The key to learning flipside is drilling + mirroring your strong side.

When I'm drilling a flipside move, even if it's one that I can hit fairly well, I still regularly go back to my strong side to compare with my flip. For example if I were drilling flipside whirls I might hit 5 consecutive flip whirls and then a couple on my strong side then back to flip etc. If you spend hours just drilling your flipside without doing any on your strong side there is the danger of learning a different technique on each side. Ideally your strong and flipside should look the same.

But yeah, it's mainly just a matter of spending hours and hours drilling the same stuff over and over.

Donovon · Post by **Donovon** » 23 Nov 2009 08:07

If you spend hours just drilling your flipside without doing any on your strong side there is the danger of learning a different technique on each side. Ideally your strong and flipside should look the same.

Interesting. I havnt heard anyone else point this out before. I think i started noticing this and decided to catch both this and the flipside problem pretty early.

WyrmFyre · Post by **WyrmFyre** » 22 Jan 2010 06:37

This is more of a thought than a tip, but here goes....

Part of learning your flipside i find initially comes from a little positive mental attitude. Dont let yourself get to thinking that you cant do a trick on your flipside despite having nailed it 20 times a session on your strongside, and therefore you should just give up trying. If you can do it on your strong side, then youve proved that your capable of making the motions nessecary to pull of whatever trick it is your trying.

The rest of it has already been detailed above, and thats drill drill drill. Give both sides of your game an equal chance to progress, and if your flipside needs much more practice, give it an extra five minutes over your strong side. I dedicate at least 10 or 15 minutes out of every session to my flip clipper. It was appauling, but i kept telling myself over and over again that yes, its gonna mean some hard work and dedication on my part, but i can do it, and the only way... the absolute ONLY way its EVER going to get on par with my strongside, is through repetition.

Hope this makes sense!

F[uns]tylin' Eclectic · Post by **F[uns]tylin' Eclectic** » 06 Feb 2010 14:52

I did the same sorta thing for a little while too, just tried to go for bigger tricks on my strong side, rather than work on my flipside. I started drilling my tricks probably beginning of this year, after my first tournament, Funtastik, which was a great experience and everyone I met there was so awesome, but anyway, some of the players there told me I had a good style, I just needed to work on my flipside. I specifically recall, Matt Cross told me that I...

"have a really good style, but you need to work on drilling. If you do that, this time next year, you'll be better than most of the people here."

(or something along those lines). Matt, if you read this at any point, those words have been keeping my hopes up ever since you told them to me. I've been drilling for a while now and my flip clippers don't look like they're made of cheap rubber anymore, and i've been incorporating more of them into my routines and my friends I shred with have been saying I've improved a lot. I definitely agree that you gotta get your flipside involved, it just tends to feels a lot better.

And Drew, thanks a lot for the music tip, that's totally going to help me with drills.

thedudeman · Post by **thedudeman** » 17 Feb 2010 18:22

what has actually helped me (im a noob)
is practicing with a hard to use bag on your flip side and getting down the desired trick(s) a few times and then switching to your best bag after that and mastering them, i currently need to start practicing left side clippers and getting down left side atw's both ways
then on to butterflys and leg overs, i use my min to learn flipside because its not broken in yet

Slowsis · Post by **Slowsis** » 21 Feb 2010 00:36

I got much farther than most before I realized I needed to correct my onesided-ness. Im pretty sure I could hit goodside stepping duck before I could even do anything but very weak ripwalks on my flip. Now after playing a lot smarter for a couple years, I am finding I'm starting to hit new tricks on my flipside FIRST(Superfly would be a good example...also hit scorpions tail cleanly first on my flip, after some 'the' attempts on my goodside).

Its all about being consistent and not getting frustrated because it seems so much harder on one side than the other.

The Randallizer · Post by **The Randallizer** » 27 Feb 2010 12:08

I've practiced my flip side ATWs for about 5 years now and they still suck. Some people are physically unable to move one leg in the same way then the other because of physiological constraints. My leg lengths are considerably different. It took me a couple years before I gave in and believed what my body was telling me, but not after enduring pain and blaming it on my "weak side". The most painful trick I can think of for me is a flip ATW. So to anyone saying just keep practicing, you may be hurting someone.

WyrmFyre · Post by **WyrmFyre** » 04 Mar 2010 01:14

The Randallizer wrote: So to anyone saying just keep practicing, you may be hurting someone.

Those very same people will also give you the advice that if its hurting, stop.

PoisonTaffy · Post by **PoisonTaffy** » 04 Mar 2010 02:57

"Keep practicing" is an advice that applies to a huge portion of players. It is no one's fault that it didn't apply to you. No one knows your physical condition unless you describe it, and even then, players are not physicians.

Ian is right, it's important to keep reminding ourselves to listen to our body more closely than we listen to other players.

habitat · Post by **habitat** » 04 Mar 2010 11:37

PoisonTaffy wrote:Ian is right, it's important to keep reminding ourselves to listen to our body more closely than we listen to other players.

The Randallizer wrote:It took me a couple years before I gave in and believed what my body was telling me, but not after enduring pain and blaming it on my "weak side"

??? Take a break boss.

And WyrmFyre, did you read what was posted? It seems some people will confuse a minor discomfort for it "being on the weak side" and having untrained muscles. So telling this person to keep practicing could be a disservice to them. Does this offend you?

PoisonTaffy · Post by **PoisonTaffy** » 04 Mar 2010 12:18

it comes off like he's blaming ppl who had nothing but good intentions for his choice to play thru pain.

habitat · Post by **habitat** » 04 Mar 2010 13:57

Well, I know Mike and he's a good guy. I don't think he blamed anybody? He seems to be putting his opinion out there and maybe helping someone who might be going through the same thing. Nothing wrong with that.

WyrmFyre · Post by **WyrmFyre** » 04 Mar 2010 14:31

I'm not sure why I should be offended. in hindsight I will say that my comment was a little...... Blunt perhaps.

My advice would still be the same though. If a specific trick or motion is discomforting, then iwould say stop. If it's discomforting, that seems natural in footbag, and perhaps a more thorough warm up would help, and videoing yourself or playing in front of a mirror to check your form.

The post did say that he was "enduring pain" though rather than discomfort. If I found myself really gritting my teeth to deal with the pain though for any trick small or large then iwould seek advice from my doctor before carrying on, otherwise it might make a bad problem even worse.

I apologise if I've caused any offence, that was not my intention. I should have elaborated more on my comment.