Dear stitchers,
Sorry if this idea doesn't really fit with journeys or travel, but it seems to me to be the section that talks about competitions at tournaments the most.
My idea is to have a best footbag made competition at this years US Open. It is to my knowledge that there will be some stitchers there that can make a competition, and I think that it would be cool to see the best of what we can stitch. I for one, would try really hard to make the best bag that I have ever made for this, and I am curious to know if some other people who stitch would like to as well? I think that it would be good for footbag and possibly push footbag making to the next level.
If there are European/ International stitchers that wish that they could participate but can not make the trip to come to Portland, I wish you could be here (it is going to be cool), but please feel free to mail me your bag and I can enter it in the competition and you may have your chance at possible glory.
It is my belief that the winning bags should be donated to the players. 1st place bag should go the the fourth place freestyle routine player (don't try to get fourth by the way), 2nd best bag to the third place freestyle routine player, and the 3rd best bag to the 2nd place player. ;p
If this is a bad idea, I am open minded to other thoughts. Maybe it could just go to the Hall of Fame.
Parameters of competition:
1.) The bag must be ultra suede light only. 32 panels. No amaretto or that stuff that Brian uses. Sorry. I am not trying to disrespect or say anything about other fabrics, facile is just a common fabric that we can all get.
2.) any color combo, pattern combo, weight, fill, gather, thread, size, etc... can be made, just make what you think is the best footbag for this sport.
3.) judging can be based on: stall potential, pop, durability or projected lifetime, artistry, ..... we could even have a pseudo auction to see how the little bastard sells for.
4.) judges: an ex-stitcher, a non-stitcher, people without biases in favor of one bag or another.
um, I can't think of anything else right now, but I would like to think of more stuff after I go to sleep and wake up. Hope you all like my idea. Have a nice weekend.
Best Footbag Made Competition - US Open
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Aaron Shepard
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no restrictions! 
I would probably use all USL anyways..
but there are also some USL's that are sooo nice that are no longer available on fields. like cinnabar or something, and there is this really reallly light green thats like green mist or something, and active green which is pretty darn nice, and welll, you get the picture.
either way, i would gladly participate in this contest.
I would probably use all USL anyways..
but there are also some USL's that are sooo nice that are no longer available on fields. like cinnabar or something, and there is this really reallly light green thats like green mist or something, and active green which is pretty darn nice, and welll, you get the picture.
either way, i would gladly participate in this contest.
brian "bear" sherrill
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I also agree that no material restrictions should be used - part of being a well-rounded stitcher is having a good palette of material from which to work, and having access to a kind of material that other people don't have is not an example of an unfair advantage, it's an example of someone going the extra mile and hounding out that awesome new fabric or trading and getting a piece of that old discontinued active green USL to make an awesome bag.
Plus, nothing out there that I have ever seen is so much more amazing than the materials readily available that it would even provide a significant advantage anyway; anyone disagree with that?
How about this for competition format (and please bear in mind I haven't read Aaron's idea in at least a week so I may be repeating some things)-
Competitors make their bag with no unnecessary distinguishing features (ie: logos and maybe Brian's disco material, depending on what percentage of competitors want to use it; I just feel that too few people have this fabric), and when we all arrive at the event at which this competition will be held, they are given to the competition organizer (Aaron) and clearly numbered with a black marker. Only Aaron knows which numbers go with which stitchers. Aaron and other event organizers then sit at a table or in a corner or something with all the bags.
Anyone who wants to judge can judge (except competitors), but their judgments will only count if they play with and give a brief commentary on all the bags. Competition organizers will also keep a list of all the judges and note which bags they have and have not reviewed to prevent false reviews.
As far as I can see, there are only two concerns when judging a footbag - playability and aesthetics. Commentary will be divided into one section for each of these and judges can weight them against each other as they see fit.
So, the judges take their judging sheet and one bag. They play for a few minutes, make their commentary, and trade in the bag they took for another, and continue like that until they have played with and commented on all bags. Then, they place some predetermined fraction of the total bags (say, half or a third or whatever, depending on how many entries) in numerical order of their preference, "1" being the best bag.
Judging takes place until a set time, at which time judges must finish reviewing the bag they are using. Reviews should not take very long to complete, and judges will receive ample warning of the end of the judging time approaching, so running out of time should not be an issue.
Votes are tallied. Lowest score wins the cheese wheel.
I just hope that the competitors would be good sports and not tell their friends which bags are theirs to improve their standing. Hopefully, if a LOT of people judge, this won't be an issue.
Plus, nothing out there that I have ever seen is so much more amazing than the materials readily available that it would even provide a significant advantage anyway; anyone disagree with that?
How about this for competition format (and please bear in mind I haven't read Aaron's idea in at least a week so I may be repeating some things)-
Competitors make their bag with no unnecessary distinguishing features (ie: logos and maybe Brian's disco material, depending on what percentage of competitors want to use it; I just feel that too few people have this fabric), and when we all arrive at the event at which this competition will be held, they are given to the competition organizer (Aaron) and clearly numbered with a black marker. Only Aaron knows which numbers go with which stitchers. Aaron and other event organizers then sit at a table or in a corner or something with all the bags.
Anyone who wants to judge can judge (except competitors), but their judgments will only count if they play with and give a brief commentary on all the bags. Competition organizers will also keep a list of all the judges and note which bags they have and have not reviewed to prevent false reviews.
As far as I can see, there are only two concerns when judging a footbag - playability and aesthetics. Commentary will be divided into one section for each of these and judges can weight them against each other as they see fit.
So, the judges take their judging sheet and one bag. They play for a few minutes, make their commentary, and trade in the bag they took for another, and continue like that until they have played with and commented on all bags. Then, they place some predetermined fraction of the total bags (say, half or a third or whatever, depending on how many entries) in numerical order of their preference, "1" being the best bag.
Judging takes place until a set time, at which time judges must finish reviewing the bag they are using. Reviews should not take very long to complete, and judges will receive ample warning of the end of the judging time approaching, so running out of time should not be an issue.
Votes are tallied. Lowest score wins the cheese wheel.
I just hope that the competitors would be good sports and not tell their friends which bags are theirs to improve their standing. Hopefully, if a LOT of people judge, this won't be an issue.
BRICK!
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For others sake Matt, perhaps you could elaborate on what specifics you consider to fall into Playability and Aesthetics.
Personally, i find it hard to eliminate bias in this competition. I have a pretty good idea of what different stitchers bags are like by look and feel. I understand most people arent like this, but i think you really cant make this competition un-bias.
Part of me thinks that if the bag was truly the best, it would win regardless, however i know there are outside factors here.
I see complications naming one bag the best. Different bags are made with and fit different styles. But alas, i guess this applies to freestyle as well. People have different styles and i find that often makes them hard to compare.
I also agree with no material restrictions.
And i think it should be stated whether these bags would be pre-made before the event or made sometime during the event (which could turn out to be a quite a drag).
~Donovon
Personally, i find it hard to eliminate bias in this competition. I have a pretty good idea of what different stitchers bags are like by look and feel. I understand most people arent like this, but i think you really cant make this competition un-bias.
Part of me thinks that if the bag was truly the best, it would win regardless, however i know there are outside factors here.
I see complications naming one bag the best. Different bags are made with and fit different styles. But alas, i guess this applies to freestyle as well. People have different styles and i find that often makes them hard to compare.
I also agree with no material restrictions.
And i think it should be stated whether these bags would be pre-made before the event or made sometime during the event (which could turn out to be a quite a drag).
~Donovon
playability - is it easy or not to make it do what you want?
aesthetics - do you like how it looks or not?
As for the bias you mention, yea, some people are going to have the skills to identify stitcher just by their style, but I think that the vast majority of players do not have that skill, and if they do have it, it would only be for one or two stitchers.
I'm hoping that most of the people who would have that kind of skill (the stitchers) would be involved in the competition, so they couldn't judge and it wouldn't be as much of an issue. I also think that if there's a lot of judges, it's going to reduce this bias.
And, I didn't mean to be too brief when I answered those questions about playability and aesthetics, I just think there isn't much more to it than that - people are going to have different standards, and as opposed to making them adhere to some sort of number scale to assign to different attributes, players should just put their 5 favorite in order for whatever reason.
although, I just saw a flaw in my scoring system...
if there were 5 bags to be put in order, the best would one have to be given 5 points, and the bag with the most points at the end would be the winner. The other system doesn't work unless every single bag in the competition is put in order at the end.
aesthetics - do you like how it looks or not?
As for the bias you mention, yea, some people are going to have the skills to identify stitcher just by their style, but I think that the vast majority of players do not have that skill, and if they do have it, it would only be for one or two stitchers.
I'm hoping that most of the people who would have that kind of skill (the stitchers) would be involved in the competition, so they couldn't judge and it wouldn't be as much of an issue. I also think that if there's a lot of judges, it's going to reduce this bias.
And, I didn't mean to be too brief when I answered those questions about playability and aesthetics, I just think there isn't much more to it than that - people are going to have different standards, and as opposed to making them adhere to some sort of number scale to assign to different attributes, players should just put their 5 favorite in order for whatever reason.
although, I just saw a flaw in my scoring system...
if there were 5 bags to be put in order, the best would one have to be given 5 points, and the bag with the most points at the end would be the winner. The other system doesn't work unless every single bag in the competition is put in order at the end.
BRICK!
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I dig.Erik Chan wrote:I'm really interested to see what non-stitchers use as criteria for an aesthetically pleasing bag.
Now that you mention it, I actually like the openess of Matt's critera. I just hope it would bode well for the competition.
Considering Aarons idea about donation, this could turn out to be a great way to get prize events for big events.
Although this doesnt sound like an even that should be held at every tournament, imo, unless aaron was specifically talking about only the us open.
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I'd be down to film this
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Aaron Shepard
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Hello everyone who is interested in this thread, and thank you for all of the great feedback. I really liked what everyone had to say and I think Footbag people are the shiznit.
I am still waiting to hear back from Red for a confirmation that this event can go down at the US Open, but I am sure he will be okay with this competition and it should be pretty definite. There were only two people who voted no and they did not leave a reason, so I do not see any reason why we shouldn't do it. The stitchers want to do it, so it's on now!
I also want to say, I am not trying to get competitive with the stitchers, I just want to contribute to the sport and to the making of the bags man.
So, it seems unanimous that there should be no restrictions on the fabric or restrictions of any other sort, and after reading what you all had to say, I agree. I wanted some sort of congruency among the bags, but the best bag is the best bag and let's see it.
I think Matt's words are very wise, and I would like to take them with the utmost consideration, but I feel that having only two categories of judging would cause more bias. I propose we break these two brackets down to a little more detail, then you can not just give a bag a high score, but you will have to prove that it deserves this high score by a couple of aspects. Any thought is appreciated, but I will ultimately have to do the most professional thing.
For example, playability broken down to stall score, set score, and durability.
Aesthetics could be broken down to even stitches/ symmetry score, color/design/ pattern score, and originality score.
I think that if we do something like this, it will eliminate a good amount of bias if there is a judge who prefers my bags because they are obviously the best. Oh wait, that just came out really bad. Freudian slip. But no, serious, if we get something like 5 or 7 judges from a diversified background, I think that it should be pretty fair and we should be able to have an accurate winner. After all, it is not like the winner is going to win a million dollars or anything. Ha ha ha. It is not like Paris Hilton is going to come down and pronounce to the world that your sack is the grandest!
As far as video goes, feel free to have fun and do as you please. I think that photos of the bags should be posted as well.
If you want to do this at your jam that is cool, but I hope that this time it is like the big competition, at least this first time. Anything to improve your get togethers is fine by me.
I think that was everything for now. Take care and good luck making those bags!
-Aaron
I am still waiting to hear back from Red for a confirmation that this event can go down at the US Open, but I am sure he will be okay with this competition and it should be pretty definite. There were only two people who voted no and they did not leave a reason, so I do not see any reason why we shouldn't do it. The stitchers want to do it, so it's on now!
I also want to say, I am not trying to get competitive with the stitchers, I just want to contribute to the sport and to the making of the bags man.
So, it seems unanimous that there should be no restrictions on the fabric or restrictions of any other sort, and after reading what you all had to say, I agree. I wanted some sort of congruency among the bags, but the best bag is the best bag and let's see it.
I think Matt's words are very wise, and I would like to take them with the utmost consideration, but I feel that having only two categories of judging would cause more bias. I propose we break these two brackets down to a little more detail, then you can not just give a bag a high score, but you will have to prove that it deserves this high score by a couple of aspects. Any thought is appreciated, but I will ultimately have to do the most professional thing.
For example, playability broken down to stall score, set score, and durability.
Aesthetics could be broken down to even stitches/ symmetry score, color/design/ pattern score, and originality score.
I think that if we do something like this, it will eliminate a good amount of bias if there is a judge who prefers my bags because they are obviously the best. Oh wait, that just came out really bad. Freudian slip. But no, serious, if we get something like 5 or 7 judges from a diversified background, I think that it should be pretty fair and we should be able to have an accurate winner. After all, it is not like the winner is going to win a million dollars or anything. Ha ha ha. It is not like Paris Hilton is going to come down and pronounce to the world that your sack is the grandest!
As far as video goes, feel free to have fun and do as you please. I think that photos of the bags should be posted as well.
If you want to do this at your jam that is cool, but I hope that this time it is like the big competition, at least this first time. Anything to improve your get togethers is fine by me.
I think that was everything for now. Take care and good luck making those bags!
-Aaron
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PegLegHolly
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This sounds like it could be a really great idea. I also agree on no restrictions... because what's one person's favorite bag might not be what others like.
I definitely think that there should be judging guidelines/categories... and I agree with Matt that they should each be played with.
I don't like the idea of physically marking the footbags. While I know Matt puts numbers on his, that's not really my style. I know it would be for judging purposes but I also think there might be a way around actually writing on them.
Great idea! I hope this plays through. I'd also think it would be awesome if people who can't make it to US Open could send their Best Bags by mail for judging.
I definitely think that there should be judging guidelines/categories... and I agree with Matt that they should each be played with.
I don't like the idea of physically marking the footbags. While I know Matt puts numbers on his, that's not really my style. I know it would be for judging purposes but I also think there might be a way around actually writing on them.
Great idea! I hope this plays through. I'd also think it would be awesome if people who can't make it to US Open could send their Best Bags by mail for judging.
Holly Mathews
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I would like to say that no logos or number markings be placed on the bags to be judged. Make this into a completely pure and blind judging system, because it'll be more fun that way. Otherwise, people will know what bags are made by whom, and they immediately *click* in their heads the stitcher that made it, their reputation as one, and how reliable their bags are in the footbag scene.
So, my suggestion is this: take individual photos of each bag, get them printed out on a single sheet with a number marked on them to distinguish a label for said bag, and that number will be used for the judging period. Only those under Red and Aaron will be ones that know who stitched what bag.
Let's hope I can make it to the US Open to attend this event. I have a knack for identifying bags, and an even better idea on what makes a good one for shred.
So, my suggestion is this: take individual photos of each bag, get them printed out on a single sheet with a number marked on them to distinguish a label for said bag, and that number will be used for the judging period. Only those under Red and Aaron will be ones that know who stitched what bag.
Let's hope I can make it to the US Open to attend this event. I have a knack for identifying bags, and an even better idea on what makes a good one for shred.
Waylon Lew - maker of Wasabi bags
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Waylon, the point of the numbers was to allow for blind judging. Holly and I were not talking about numbering bags the way I have done for all my bags; we were referring to assigning each bag a number within the competition, much in the same way that you described. I still vote for writing on the bags within the competition. sharpie ink comes off the bag within a few sessions and a few washings, and doesn't harm or hinder the material in any way.
Any opinions about qualifying judges? Something simple, like 10 tiltless with your favorite bag, as many tries as you want.
How can you really comment on a footbag if you don't know how to use it?
Any opinions about qualifying judges? Something simple, like 10 tiltless with your favorite bag, as many tries as you want.
How can you really comment on a footbag if you don't know how to use it?
BRICK!
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nyfa
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I think there should be an open panel of judges who are already in the competition to win the bags being judged. So if you sign up for routines or circle, then you have the option of being a judge in the Best Bag Competition. That way, I think you would get the best opinions on the bags.
Other people would be welcome to put in their two cents of course, but the competitors should be given priority over the judging seats (if there is a limit to how many judges you want to judge the bags)
If you made a bag, then you would be disqualified as a judge, or maybe you couldn't grade your own bag?
Other people would be welcome to put in their two cents of course, but the competitors should be given priority over the judging seats (if there is a limit to how many judges you want to judge the bags)
If you made a bag, then you would be disqualified as a judge, or maybe you couldn't grade your own bag?
Nick Landes
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As a non-stitcher I feel aesthetics of the bag are totally irrelevant. It could be the nicest looking bag in the world and play like crap. Playability is truly what matters most.
Stitchers should not be allowed a vote at all on ANY bags. This would eliminate stitcher bias. I like Nick's idea of players getting priority voting, they paid to play, they should get a vote as well (Tournament fees can be pricey). However, if you allow ALL players (regardless of whether they entered or not) the opportunity, you may find a more accurate result. This because what is "good & playable" varies among players. And not all experienced players are entered to WIN, they just show up to play (me included).
A list of playable qualities of a bag could be printed on a score card for each participant. A 1 - 5 scoring system for each category would determine the overall average of the bag's score card. The more score cards, the more granular the data collected for each bag. Here is where aesthetics could sway one category or another. One category could be the consistency of the bag's roundness in flight or stallability through an osis. Creativity of the categories could make it an interesting competition, and maybe even help shape the future of bag development.
When I play these things are important to me, other's may vary in what is important to them:
- size of the bag (not too large, not too small)
- roundness in the air
- flatness on the stall
- stickiness of the stall through an osis or a carried move like a rake.
- uptime set quality (does it get stuck in my toe box)
- downtime stallabilty (how high I can stall it from - usually head height)
- Sweat absorption (not really testable without hours of play)
- mushiness of material
- weight
- dexability (can you hit quads with this bag)
- spottable (able to see well in a spin)
I am sure there are many others, these are just a few I could think of right off the top of my head.
~peace
Stitchers should not be allowed a vote at all on ANY bags. This would eliminate stitcher bias. I like Nick's idea of players getting priority voting, they paid to play, they should get a vote as well (Tournament fees can be pricey). However, if you allow ALL players (regardless of whether they entered or not) the opportunity, you may find a more accurate result. This because what is "good & playable" varies among players. And not all experienced players are entered to WIN, they just show up to play (me included).
A list of playable qualities of a bag could be printed on a score card for each participant. A 1 - 5 scoring system for each category would determine the overall average of the bag's score card. The more score cards, the more granular the data collected for each bag. Here is where aesthetics could sway one category or another. One category could be the consistency of the bag's roundness in flight or stallability through an osis. Creativity of the categories could make it an interesting competition, and maybe even help shape the future of bag development.
When I play these things are important to me, other's may vary in what is important to them:
- size of the bag (not too large, not too small)
- roundness in the air
- flatness on the stall
- stickiness of the stall through an osis or a carried move like a rake.
- uptime set quality (does it get stuck in my toe box)
- downtime stallabilty (how high I can stall it from - usually head height)
- Sweat absorption (not really testable without hours of play)
- mushiness of material
- weight
- dexability (can you hit quads with this bag)
- spottable (able to see well in a spin)
I am sure there are many others, these are just a few I could think of right off the top of my head.
~peace
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Hello,
I want to apologize for camping on this thread and letting so much time pass before making a note. I just finished finals and a hectic spring semester, so now I can focus more attention advertising this event.
I have confirmed with Red that we can have an official stitcher competition at the US Open. Now I will work on finding some artistic prizes!
I am open minded on people's ideas and suggestions on judging and biases, but I am confident that I can carry out the competition in a fair and professional manner. There were a lot of great ideas proposed, but I will do my best. I hope the stitchers all have faith in me.
I am not going to stitch/ compete. I will be a judge and handle organizational duties. It should not be too much for one person, but I will seek help if needed. I will photograph all the bags and write down any and all of the details I can. I will formulate a score card and revise it here and there, but it will be ready well before the event.
As far as the number of judges and what type they are, I will do my best to satisfy everybody. I do not see why it should be judged any different than any other footbag event. Three or five judges should be fine. If I let everyone who comes to the US Open judge, I feel it would just be chaotic. What I think I will do is have a hat where people can write their favorite three bags on a piece of paper and we will count them at the end and have a peoples' choice reward. I would also like to post the pictures of the bags and have an online vote, but I will have to see if that will be too much work. Then aesthetics (online) and playability (at competition) will be noticed.
I am going to move this thread to the bags and equipment section. I am just going to start a new thread. If I was more familiar with modified I would have started it there, my bad.
I also want to make a list of people who would like to participate in this event and post it. Remember, you do not have to actually come to the US Open to put your footbag on the list. You can mail me your bag and I can then try to sell it for you or you can have me mail it back to you if you give me the postage fee. Too bad you couldn't mail yourself! Hahahaha.
I will wait about a week and then post the rules and competition parameters. Thanks, and I hope you like what this is all about. Have a nice day.
I want to apologize for camping on this thread and letting so much time pass before making a note. I just finished finals and a hectic spring semester, so now I can focus more attention advertising this event.
I have confirmed with Red that we can have an official stitcher competition at the US Open. Now I will work on finding some artistic prizes!
I am open minded on people's ideas and suggestions on judging and biases, but I am confident that I can carry out the competition in a fair and professional manner. There were a lot of great ideas proposed, but I will do my best. I hope the stitchers all have faith in me.
I am not going to stitch/ compete. I will be a judge and handle organizational duties. It should not be too much for one person, but I will seek help if needed. I will photograph all the bags and write down any and all of the details I can. I will formulate a score card and revise it here and there, but it will be ready well before the event.
As far as the number of judges and what type they are, I will do my best to satisfy everybody. I do not see why it should be judged any different than any other footbag event. Three or five judges should be fine. If I let everyone who comes to the US Open judge, I feel it would just be chaotic. What I think I will do is have a hat where people can write their favorite three bags on a piece of paper and we will count them at the end and have a peoples' choice reward. I would also like to post the pictures of the bags and have an online vote, but I will have to see if that will be too much work. Then aesthetics (online) and playability (at competition) will be noticed.
I am going to move this thread to the bags and equipment section. I am just going to start a new thread. If I was more familiar with modified I would have started it there, my bad.
I also want to make a list of people who would like to participate in this event and post it. Remember, you do not have to actually come to the US Open to put your footbag on the list. You can mail me your bag and I can then try to sell it for you or you can have me mail it back to you if you give me the postage fee. Too bad you couldn't mail yourself! Hahahaha.
I will wait about a week and then post the rules and competition parameters. Thanks, and I hope you like what this is all about. Have a nice day.
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you can put my name on the list! this sounds like fun!
edit: i had a crazy idea yesterday.... what about 2 categories for this event, one being a lead category, the other non-toxic (bismuth, steel, seed beads, etc etc)? feel free to shoot me down on this one but i figured it was worth mentioning, i personally feel like lead plays nicer but i stay away from it on principle (that's just me though, can't speak for others).
edit: i had a crazy idea yesterday.... what about 2 categories for this event, one being a lead category, the other non-toxic (bismuth, steel, seed beads, etc etc)? feel free to shoot me down on this one but i figured it was worth mentioning, i personally feel like lead plays nicer but i stay away from it on principle (that's just me though, can't speak for others).