yeh i used to kick with these shoes on until i got my lavers.
They were great shoes for toe tricks and werent as bulky as the lavers so dexing was easier. The sides and outsides arent as big as the Lavers but there still good for like a $10AUD pair of shoes.
yeh generally i think they are pretty crap compared to lavers but if uve got nothing else then they are ok i guess... no real toe box, instep is crap for clippers but they are pretty flexible so u could prob get by just curling ur toes to toe stall
Steve Ramsey tried modding them with a piece of plastic across the sole on the instep to fix it up a bit, but it fell apart as soon as lynton stephens took them for a test run