the Heat is On - Caro's 6

Flipsider · Post by **Flipsider** » 20 Jul 2004 12:29

It's getting hot in here.

http://www.flipsider.com/media/caro_shoot.htm

Most *guys* can't even clean a Shooting set!

Posi-Cole · Post by **Posi-Cole** » 20 Jul 2004 12:35

Let me be the first to say .. sweet!

That was so awesome.

I'm a little confused though ... not trying to steal any thunder and I'm sure someone will correct me ...

3 dexes
1 delay
1 cross body

What is the 6th add? I'm sure it's some concept I'm just not completely familiar with. X Dex maybe? Don't know much about x dex, so maybe it gets that? Someone fill me in. I always thought a shooting set was just a 2 add set.

At any rate, sweet move... Looks pretty clean!

Tripp · Post by **Tripp** » 20 Jul 2004 12:37

Paradox...

alex · Post by **alex** » 20 Jul 2004 12:40

OH SNAP! The ladies are cranking out 6's like its their jobs! Props to Caro, and I hope to see it in person when I get to Montreal.

*pee's his own pants with excitement*

worlds is so close!!

Juana · Post by **Juana** » 20 Jul 2004 12:55

AWESOME! The women's scene is going off!!! Damn...I need to go hit a 6 before you all leave me in the gutter.

Mad props Caro - it goes without saying that you're one of the best women freestylers EVER!!

Posi-Cole · Post by **Posi-Cole** » 20 Jul 2004 13:05

Tripp wrote:Paradox...

Does every shooting trick get paradox?

Or is it just because of the butterfly afterwards?

I feel dumb for not knowing this

But I've never really thought too much about the jobs and adds for shooting tricks.

Juana · Post by **Juana** » 20 Jul 2004 13:07

it's because of the op butterfly. for ex. when i hit shooting ss mir, it's only 5 because it doesn't have the pdx.

that butterfly getting conditional adds for pdx totally confuses me too. ex. no extra pdx for pdx legbeater which essentially has the same last 2 dexes as shooting op butterfly, right? weird, no? let's not dig that up...let's just enjoy this shooting butterfly which is FAT! Can you duck that Caro...or make it a shooting barfly to be the first 7 by a girl?!!!!

edit: I keep coming back to this thread because I'm so stoked!! I feel like we're starting to close the gap between women's and men's freestyle. Now we just need more female players so that we're not so out-numbered!!!

mc · Post by mc » 20 Jul 2004 15:07

that was awesome caro, nice and clean. COME ON GIRLS! MORE VIDEO!!! HUGE TRICKS RULE!!! way to seal it into a string, too... see you in a few days...

m

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 20 Jul 2004 15:08

Ouch! Clean! Big! Damn!

Shaun · Post by **Shaun** » 20 Jul 2004 15:23

That is so crazy. The girls are busting huge now. Just wait in two years girls are gonna be busting huge and stuff like going fearless.

mr.alex · Post by **mr.alex** » 20 Jul 2004 16:05

hell yeah

woman freestyle is getting scary good.

props to caro!

Splint · Post by **Splint** » 20 Jul 2004 18:35

Awesome awesome awesome. She even kissed me at the end of of the clip.

Chris Hanratty · Post by **Chris Hanratty** » 20 Jul 2004 20:45

Shit, that trick was so fresh!!! I'm looking forward to seeing more videos from you and the rest of the ladies, I want to see you hittin' big too!

Peace

KronoKicker · Post by **KronoKicker** » 20 Jul 2004 21:47

Very nice... I say by the end of worlds there will be at least one 7 add move hit by a woman freestyler.

ericksonj · Post by **ericksonj** » 21 Jul 2004 07:37

Jane,

I haven't watched the video of Caro's 6 add move yet, but I assume it is shooting butterfly...

Anyways, I was confused by your post because I thought that shooting got the paradox because it was stepping paradox atomic. Shooting same side mirage is a 5 because the mirage is only a 2 add. Although... when you hit shooting op mirage then it is a 6 because is gets xdex on the mirage. Is this accurate or am I being retarded?

Anyways props to the ladies for hitting all these 6 adds. Was there really any question in anyones minds that this was possible? Women have just as much potential as men in this sport. Shred on!

Slippur · Post by **Slippur** » 21 Jul 2004 07:53

Nuclear only gets the paradox add when there's an op side component afterwards, for example, matador is a 5 add, but nuclear ss butterfly is a 4. If shooting follows the same rules, then shooting SS mirage would be a 4 add.

HackyRichard · Post by **HackyRichard** » 21 Jul 2004 08:40

First thing that was excellent execution, and way to own the move by sealing it too, so that's worth double props I figure

On the pdx issue in nuclear and thus shooting, Andy basically had it covered:

Matador (pdx legbeater) is 5 adds, the nuclear set dex is completed fully in this moves (think hippy pdx illusion), as the bag travels back to the op (original setting) side, giving it the dex and the pdx add components and then the 3 component adds for the finishing butterfly.

Shooting Butterfly is the same deal, it just gets and additional add for the stepping (or it may be pogo, either way you know what I mean) component of the set.

So Nuclear (and shooting) moves where the bag travels back to the op side after the nuclear dex will always make the set receive the additional pdx add. That's fairly straight forward, it's the next part which gets interesting.

With Nuclear ss (and shooting ss) moves the nuclear dex is only partially completed (think hippy far legover dex), so the set dex doesn't get the pdx add. However if the ss move is a full dex then that move gets the pdx, because basically if you take out the nuclear set you would be performing the pdx version of the downtime move.
So nuclear ss mirage (pdx tap) is a 4 add (1 add in the set, 3 for the pdx mirage), which fits that it would be harder (how ever slight that may be) than the regular tap. This would make shooting ss mirage a 5 add move.

Hope that helps someone out there

Flipsider · Post by **Flipsider** » 21 Jul 2004 08:55

Stop hijacking this topic! Start a new topic if you don't understand adds, which shuld have been done in the first place. Sheesh. Having said that, HackyRichard's post is bang on! Thanks for clarifying for the newbs. This question comes up year after year.

More importantly, I'm glad everyone enjoyed the video. Caro's happy to have hit it, and I'm sure she'll be linking it more easily soon. She's turning into a shuffling machine!

Question, why is it that excitement always turns into unrealistic expectations? Just enjoy the moment. No one take that personally, it's just general comment about (IMO) unnecessary hype.

Sorry Jane, Caro probably won't be busting any 7s out of Shooting anytime soon. When she does reach that level and consistency with the set, I'd guess Shooting Torque and Shooting Blender will be most achievable. She had never even tried Shooting set before a couple days ago, when I suggested she try it. It's pretty cool that her new moves are super clean from day 1. It's because she really took her time learning her foundation. So that's a guide for you newbies: Take your time, or your form will need lots of work later on. Trust me, I know personally.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone!

EDIT: I just saw that "ericksonj" started a new topic for the Shooting/Nuclear reoccuring nightmare- cough, I mean "debate". Thank you.

LinksYs · Post by **LinksYs** » 21 Jul 2004 09:30

Carols really good. This video is insane. I'm going to show it to some of my girl friends and then they won't think footbag is stupid.

ashleyd · Post by **ashleyd** » 21 Jul 2004 16:03

wow, props on that. its sick that girls are stepping it up.