Alternate Toe Stall?

Prenz · Post by **Prenz** » 18 Sep 2004 14:30

Hey,

You know how there are two different toe kicks right? The "lift" and the "snap" version? Well I've been doing toe stalls that are like the snapping toe kick instead of the normal "lift". Basically, you don't raise ur foot to catch the bag, u just angle ur foot upwards relative to ur leg, then angle it down as the bag makes contact, and then spring it back up like a toe snap kick. Its all one smooth motion, no stopping.

Looks really sweet, is this move done/known?

Shredster · Post by **Shredster** » 18 Sep 2004 22:19

If you do that kind of a delay and throw it behind your back and back up around your head, its a pendulum, but otherwise, i'd say you just have a fancy way to stall on toe and a fancy way to set it back up.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 19 Sep 2004 03:11

Yes the move is done and known. An example of someone who does them is Vasek Klouda - I use him because there's so much footage of him around on the net so you are bound to do it - lots of other people do as well - Jeremy Mirken, Ales, Lynton... infact probably about 50% of footbaggers. I sometimes do it but I'm not very good at it so I tend to do the lift more often.

edit: Take it from me, you cannot invent a new move until you are really good. As far as I know I've invented one move and named two others - all of which were 6 add moves. Don't let this stop you trying inovative things though.

qphox · Post by **qphox** » 19 Sep 2004 09:46

Jeremy Oh Oh Oh Yeah! wrote:...you cannot invent a new move until you are really good.

The exception is if you are really flexible.

Prenz · Post by **Prenz** » 19 Sep 2004 11:16

Shredster wrote:If you do that kind of a delay and throw it behind your back and back up around your head, its a pendulum, but otherwise, i'd say you just have a fancy way to stall on toe and a fancy way to set it back up.

I don't think its anything like a pendulum. Your leg doesnt move at all, just ur foot. Also, when u catch the bag for a pendulum, u don't angle ur foot down to catch the bag, u keep it stiff. The pendulum's delay comes from ur leg dropping into the swing.

So either I fail to see the connection, or I didnt explain the move very well.

habitat · Post by **habitat** » 19 Sep 2004 12:01

pretty much Prenz, your talking about "toe flick" vs "toe lift" set/stall. Personally I flick with my right toe and lift with my left toe.

Shredster · Post by **Shredster** » 19 Sep 2004 12:08

Prenz wrote:
Shredster wrote:If you do that kind of a delay and throw it behind your back and back up around your head, its a pendulum, but otherwise, i'd say you just have a fancy way to stall on toe and a fancy way to set it back up.
I don't think its anything like a pendulum. Your leg doesnt move at all, just ur foot. Also, when u catch the bag for a pendulum, u don't angle ur foot down to catch the bag, u keep it stiff. The pendulum's delay comes from ur leg dropping into the swing.

So either I fail to see the connection, or I didnt explain the move very well.

I was only saying if by chance he were to throw it up and around his back, it'd be a pendulum. I didn't say the original description was a pendulum.

dblthnk84 · Post by **dblthnk84** » 19 Sep 2004 16:06

qphox wrote:
Jeremy Oh Oh Oh Yeah! wrote:...you cannot invent a new move until you are really good.
The exception is if you are really flexible.

I don't know if thats an exception, considering the doof, frigid osis and anchor. What else could possibly be left? Draping a leg over your shoulder and stalling on that toe?
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habitat · Post by **habitat** » 19 Sep 2004 17:03

dblthnk84 wrote:What else could possibly be left? Draping a leg over your shoulder and stalling on that toe?

Sounds kinda fun

crazydwarf · Post by **crazydwarf** » 20 Sep 2004 19:42

well if your like a crazy gymnast guy you could always try stuff like, toe set flip toe stall... or set, do a handstand and stall it on the sole of your foot...

mosher · Post by **mosher** » 20 Sep 2004 20:05

I had this crazy vision once of the insane future of footbag being taken over by gymnasts and strings become crazy tumbling strings with like 14 dexes per trick.

One day...

HG · Post by HG » 21 Sep 2004 02:50

lol mosher that would be sweet. except than we would suck because we arent crazy gymnasts.....

One Day...

FlexThis · Post by **FlexThis** » 23 Sep 2004 07:53

Outsider · Post by **Outsider** » 23 Sep 2004 19:19

Jeremy said:

edit: Take it from me, you cannot invent a new move until you are really good. .

While it helps to have lots of footbag skill and experience to invent knew stuff, it is not a requirement. New ideas can come from a new pair of eyes, unencumbered by expectations based on previous experiences, expectations of what can and should be done with a footbag.

As far as I know I've invented one move and named two others - all of which were 6 add moves.

Most of the moves I've invented were three adds, some even less. Stuff does not have to be impossibly complex to be something new, though I used to see it that way too.

Q said:

The exception is if you are really flexible.

While flexible ankles help, a flexible mind is more important.

dblthnk84 · Post by **dblthnk84** » 24 Sep 2004 12:38

Nice sig. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
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ebo · Post by **ebo** » 25 Sep 2004 02:56

sounds to me like nobody really understood what he meant.

while everybody is talking about the "snappy" toe kicks, he is talking
about that same snappy motion, but instead of kicking it he's stalling it.

I'm thinking of it as the reverse motion of a snap kick.

Jas · Post by **Jas** » 25 Sep 2004 15:19

hmm im visioning it, and it would look pretty weird, stalling it with just the cushioning of a reverse flick...

For me, im a lifter, i dont flick unless the bag is way in front of me.

Prenz · Post by **Prenz** » 26 Sep 2004 08:00

ebo wrote:sounds to me like nobody really understood what he meant.

while everybody is talking about the "snappy" toe kicks, he is talking
about that same snappy motion, but instead of kicking it he's stalling it.

I'm thinking of it as the reverse motion of a snap kick.

Yeah thats exactly it man...

Thing is, with the reverse toe snap motion, it ends with ur foot being angled really low, and the bag would roll off if you left it there. So you have to snap it back up right away. It's one smooth motion and looks sick. You shouldn't hear any sound of bag impact if you do it right.

Is this what most people understood it to be?

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 26 Sep 2004 16:30

yes I understood that and I'll repeat that hundreds of people have done this move in the past.

Vasek does it, Ales does it, Ryan does it, Jeremy Mirken does it, Lynton does it, lots of people do it!