Stanley "Tookie" Williams

Splint · Post by **Splint** » 12 Dec 2005 17:06

I was listening to the "Ed Schultz Show" on "Air America" radio and he had on a guest who speculated (perhaps a bit unreasonable) that Arnold denied clemency because his approval ratings are way down and that Williams death would start a race riot that the LAPD and probably the National Guard would have to supress. In effect the riots would cause a moment of chaos that Arnold would then show himself capable of handling (like Rudolph Guliani after 9/11), thus raising his approval rating as a heroic Governor. There are holes in that speculation and I think it's pretty ridiculous.

On the other hand, it would be an insanely great political move for that Bush feller to swoop in with a Presidential Pardon. His approval rating amongst blacks and minorites would most likely skyrocket and that's where he's hurting the most. In addition, his party would likely gain the black vote in 2008 and would have a chance at redeeming themselves from being the white elitist anti-minority party that they are.

BainbridgeShred · Post by **BainbridgeShred** » 12 Dec 2005 18:24

On the other hand, it would be an insanely great political move for that Bush feller to swoop in with a Presidential Pardon. His approval rating amongst blacks and minorites would most likely skyrocket and that's where he's hurting the most. In addition, his party would likely gain the black vote in 2008 and would have a chance at redeeming themselves from being the white elitist anti-minority party that they are.

Seems a lot better of an idea on paper. Bush has already alienated himself from his base enough this year, and if you have forgotten it was his base that won him the Presidency last year.

Splint · Post by **Splint** » 12 Dec 2005 19:10

BainbridgeShred wrote: Seems a lot better of an idea on paper. Bush has already alienated himself from his base enough this year, and if you have forgotten it was his base that won him the Presidency last year.

I know, it's just the Hollywood ending I'm looking for.

Either that, or in about 5 hours they'll be airing "Survivor: South Central".

Laroche · Post by **Laroche** » 12 Dec 2005 20:08

Heres the clemency statement for lazy people:

THE LINK - IM BLUE CLICK ME

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 12 Dec 2005 21:32

(....)Williams death would start a race riot that the LAPD and probably the National Guard would have to supress. In effect the riots would cause a moment of chaos that Arnold would then show himself capable of handling (like Rudolph Guliani after 9/11), thus raising his approval rating as a heroic Governor. There are holes in that speculation and I think it's pretty ridiculous.

He he , Arnold would be more the the "Katrina-governor" than the "9-11 Mayor".

Arnold has only one play in the playbook, that is to borrow money(for the state).

I don't know how that will quell riots.

It does make me wonder however, what will happen when nobody will loan California any money.

Think about the rioting scenarios after that.

-n

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 12 Dec 2005 21:39

I got a link with a picture of one shotgun victim of Tookie........... imagine a 1/4 of a womans' face blasted off, with the rest pockmarked with buckshot holes.

Terrible

I recommend not looking at it, unless you think Tookie is the new Jesus with Biceps.

*****(CAUTION GRAPHIC)************
http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/index.html

note: upper left of the page

sniikeri · Post by **sniikeri** » 12 Dec 2005 22:09

Tookie is going in...about two hours.

DoctorJay · Post by **DoctorJay** » 13 Dec 2005 15:17

He is dead - unbelieveable how dumb people can act .

BainbridgeShred · Post by **BainbridgeShred** » 13 Dec 2005 19:40

I know, it's just the Hollywood ending I'm looking for.

Haha agreed. It sounded kind of cool when I read it.

Kyle Hewitt · Post by **Kyle Hewitt** » 14 Dec 2005 13:49

DoctorJay wrote:He is dead - unbelieveable how dumb people can act .

and It's funny how we think we can play god and take peoples lives away when shouldnt have that right to

sniikeri · Post by **sniikeri** » 15 Dec 2005 08:11

Kyle Hewitt wrote:
DoctorJay wrote:He is dead - unbelieveable how dumb people can act .

and It's funny how we think we can play god and take peoples lives away when shouldnt have that right to

I'd like to use a footbag term "both sides" here; the US government shouldn't kill it's citizens, thus you have to remember that Tookie killed people aswell.

Though he sat 24(?) years in prison - in Finland the "Life" usually lasts 12 years maximum, so he would have done it twice here.

Kyle Hewitt · Post by **Kyle Hewitt** » 16 Dec 2005 13:28

His trial was based on circumstantial evidence and the testimony of several witnesses, all of whom were facing a range of felony charges, including fraud, rape, murder and mutilation. Even the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals stated in a September 10, 2002, ruling that the witnesses in Stan’s case had “less-than-clean backgrounds and incentives to lie in order to obtain leniency from the state in either charging or sentencing.”

http://www.savetookie.org/bio.html

Research next time please.

dontlikespam · Post by **dontlikespam** » 10 Feb 2006 06:40

Personally i'm glad they put him to death. He killed innocent people. Shot a child in the face with a shotgun...
I don't care how hard you try and become good in hopes that you won't be put to death or go to hell or whatever your motivation is. The guy deserved what he dished out and he got it.