A couple years ago i was thinking about how i did so well on all mytests without ever studying.
Through lots of thinking, ive realized that intelligence comes from a good memory. I can basically listen to the teacher without taking notes or thinking about what he/she is saying and completely soak it up. it comes to me when i need it.
The question is, do you agree? Or do you think that to be intelligent it takes a mindset, a different brain "type", or anything else?
PS: im just getting at like, i hate when people call me smart, because i know that the only difference between me and someone who "isnt smart" is the fact that i can remember random things very easily.
intelligence is the same as memory
intelligence is the same as memory
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I disagree. Creativity, ingenuity and problem solving skills are all important aspects of intelligence that have nothing to do with being able to spit out what someone just told you.
I think a better definition of intelligence is being able to APPLY what you learn to solve problems, create new things, etc.
I think a better definition of intelligence is being able to APPLY what you learn to solve problems, create new things, etc.
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yeah agreed. i guess i was pretty much talking about test taking.
and memory also means remembering how to use a formula, how to apply the formula, remembering a process/how to apply it to a problem. so i guess it still applies
Like... remembering the process you took to solve a certain problem will let you solve a similar problem later.
and memory also means remembering how to use a formula, how to apply the formula, remembering a process/how to apply it to a problem. so i guess it still applies
Like... remembering the process you took to solve a certain problem will let you solve a similar problem later.
JSACK wrote:alright well me and obara'bars, shredded our dicks off, since we are both in high school, obviously there is some sort of talent show
I think especially in school the thing that gets measured most is memory and not intelligence. For a long time I agreed with Henry and thought that most intelligence was actually memory. I've now realised that there is more to it than that. "intelligence" is a very broad word and lots of things make up "intelligence" and you don't need all of them to be intelligent. If you have no creativity at all but a perfect memory I'd still say you're intelligent. I guess the most important part of being "intelligent" is the abilty to use your knowledge to solve problems you haven't encountered before.
I mean give me a sudoko puzzle and if it is physically possible to be solved than I know for a fact that I can solve it. That's not intelligence - that's just because I've done a lot of sudoko puzzles. But if you gave me a completely different task that appeared to have no relation to sudoko but I managed to relate it to my sudoko problem solving skills and found a solution - that would be intelligence.
In general I'd say memory is very important but so are lots of other things.
In terms of getting through school - well memory is the only thing that counts for most subjects - including arts subjects. I got good marks in my creative writing class more because of my good memory than in my creative skills. I got excellent marks in physics and chemistry without any study at all because I remembered pretty much everything the teacher said and could easily recite it.
I mean give me a sudoko puzzle and if it is physically possible to be solved than I know for a fact that I can solve it. That's not intelligence - that's just because I've done a lot of sudoko puzzles. But if you gave me a completely different task that appeared to have no relation to sudoko but I managed to relate it to my sudoko problem solving skills and found a solution - that would be intelligence.
In general I'd say memory is very important but so are lots of other things.
In terms of getting through school - well memory is the only thing that counts for most subjects - including arts subjects. I got good marks in my creative writing class more because of my good memory than in my creative skills. I got excellent marks in physics and chemistry without any study at all because I remembered pretty much everything the teacher said and could easily recite it.
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As long as we're on the topic of education and how schools are geared to teach kids, I really think a lot of what we're taught in public schools (Atleast in America, most likely in other countries too) is modelling us to fit into the business world. It isn't hard to fathom either (Publicschools), and it only makes sense that the country would try to gear their incoming working class to be as economically suitable as possible. Of course this leaves less time for Art, Literature, and History classes, and it's why you always hear Bush talking about raising funds for math and sciences. It's what mainly used to rate the intelligence of a countries kids, even if it is clearly the less important of the areas of education.
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hackeysnacker said:
Well, its a good question. Intelligence seems to have several components. Memory is certainly one of those components. Its probably safe to say that "problem solving" and "creativity" are other components of what we consider Intelligence. Its probably also safe to say that one does not need to have all of these components in spades to be considered intelligent. Consider a little analogy: Physical coordination can probably be said to be comprised of several sub-categories such as Balance, Timing/Rhythm, Precision of Movement, Smoothness of Movement, and Speed of Reflexes. One need not have all of these aspects of Physical Coordination to be considered coordinated.
If all you feel that you have going for you is a good memory, well, at least you might try to maximize its advantage. Put as much useful data in those memory-banks as possible. Perhaps that can compensate for some other short-comings.
I'm thinking I detect some sarcasm, there, Jake. Anyway, I think you are missing Henry's point, which is that people credit him with being intellingent because he has an effective memory. Henry, I gather, isn't quite so sure that he deserves this reputation for high intelligence. He realizes "hey, I'm no Einstein, I just happen to remember more facts, figures, and details than most people. Does that really make me smart?"you're saying your intelligent because you remembered some crap a while back? that's pretty funny. Any other evidence you have some intelligence
Well, its a good question. Intelligence seems to have several components. Memory is certainly one of those components. Its probably safe to say that "problem solving" and "creativity" are other components of what we consider Intelligence. Its probably also safe to say that one does not need to have all of these components in spades to be considered intelligent. Consider a little analogy: Physical coordination can probably be said to be comprised of several sub-categories such as Balance, Timing/Rhythm, Precision of Movement, Smoothness of Movement, and Speed of Reflexes. One need not have all of these aspects of Physical Coordination to be considered coordinated.
If all you feel that you have going for you is a good memory, well, at least you might try to maximize its advantage. Put as much useful data in those memory-banks as possible. Perhaps that can compensate for some other short-comings.
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Outsider wrote:hackeysnacker said:I'm thinking I detect some sarcasm, there, Jake. Anyway, I think you are missing Henry's point, which is that people credit him with being intellingent because he has an effective memory. Henry, I gather, isn't quite so sure that he deserves this reputation for high intelligence. He realizes "hey, I'm no Einstein, I just happen to remember more facts, figures, and details than most people. Does that really make me smart?"you're saying your intelligent because you remembered some crap a while back? that's pretty funny. Any other evidence you have some intelligence
yes thats what i meant
JSACK wrote:alright well me and obara'bars, shredded our dicks off, since we are both in high school, obviously there is some sort of talent show
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I disagree. I have a great memory, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm not a genius. Perhaps the fact that I have a great memory credits how well I've done in history and english. Then again, shouldn't I excel just as much as in math or science? I suck at math and I'm not so bad at science, but it also depends on what kind of science. If it's something, say, earth science, I do pretty good, but if it were chemistry, I'd blow the lab up. It could also be possible that I have that "math anxiety" thing that the quacks have come up with that might be the cause of my math problems.
It's an interesting theory, but I think that there is not enough conclusive evidence to say that having a great memory would make you a genius (or in your words, "intelligent"). It's a fallacy.
It's an interesting theory, but I think that there is not enough conclusive evidence to say that having a great memory would make you a genius (or in your words, "intelligent"). It's a fallacy.
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i'm not saying im intelligent! And the only reason some people are "smart" in school is because of memory.
By no means am i saying I am intelligent, but the reason i do well in school is because of my memory. So its pretty solid that everyone is agreeing on the same thing. I just worded my first post very badly, i really was talking about doing well in school, not intelligence in general
By no means am i saying I am intelligent, but the reason i do well in school is because of my memory. So its pretty solid that everyone is agreeing on the same thing. I just worded my first post very badly, i really was talking about doing well in school, not intelligence in general
JSACK wrote:alright well me and obara'bars, shredded our dicks off, since we are both in high school, obviously there is some sort of talent show
That's okay, Henry. I might have worded a few things wrong in my theory. If they looked like I was berating you specifically, I'm sorry. I'd rather say "you could argue" as referring to as a random person than saying "one could argue." I was just conveying my thoughts.
No harm done...other than you suck.
No harm done...other than you suck.
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I understood your first post perfectly Henry.
Being able to convey/teach something is the highest test of how well you know it.
Intelligence is definately more than memory, but I agree that a lot of school stuff is memory based. When, however, you get to higher level stuff... well... some of the maths in final year high school is hardcore, and I think some people would find it extremely difficult to understand no matter how many times you explain it. I did philosophy at school too, and some of that can be hard to understand too.
Also there are, as has been said, many forms of intelligence. From musical, to spacial, to mathematical to language... even street smarts. The western view of "intelligence" is so narrow.
Being able to convey/teach something is the highest test of how well you know it.
Intelligence is definately more than memory, but I agree that a lot of school stuff is memory based. When, however, you get to higher level stuff... well... some of the maths in final year high school is hardcore, and I think some people would find it extremely difficult to understand no matter how many times you explain it. I did philosophy at school too, and some of that can be hard to understand too.
Also there are, as has been said, many forms of intelligence. From musical, to spacial, to mathematical to language... even street smarts. The western view of "intelligence" is so narrow.
Man, most of you guys are so wrong.
And this is hard to explain in English because I know the psychology terms only in Finnish
If you can't even remember what problem you are solving, you can solve it.
If you have never solved anything like the problem you are facing, or experiensed anything when you have to be creative, you can't do anything.
When you don't have any experiense (memory) to compare with what you are doing at the moment, you can't be creative, genuine or solve any problems.
If you think that some musician just improvised a cool tune, that's totaly wrong. He must have heard music before and remember how do certain notes sound. He must also know what is the difference between different notes in western music scales. It's all about memory.
When you create a logical melody, you must also remember the notes that you have already used and to remember how they sound when played after each other.
(And you must remember how to play the instrument/write notes, but that's not the point here)
EXPERIENSE (and therefore memory) = INTELLIGENCE
"An intelligent man solves the problems that a stupid man can't - and that a wise man doesn't have."
[silently thanks his psychology teacher]
And this is hard to explain in English because I know the psychology terms only in Finnish
If you can't even remember what problem you are solving, you can solve it.
If you have never solved anything like the problem you are facing, or experiensed anything when you have to be creative, you can't do anything.
When you don't have any experiense (memory) to compare with what you are doing at the moment, you can't be creative, genuine or solve any problems.
If you think that some musician just improvised a cool tune, that's totaly wrong. He must have heard music before and remember how do certain notes sound. He must also know what is the difference between different notes in western music scales. It's all about memory.
When you create a logical melody, you must also remember the notes that you have already used and to remember how they sound when played after each other.
(And you must remember how to play the instrument/write notes, but that's not the point here
)EXPERIENSE (and therefore memory) = INTELLIGENCE
"An intelligent man solves the problems that a stupid man can't - and that a wise man doesn't have."
[silently thanks his psychology teacher]
Yeah good call Anssi - especially about music - that's so true. Being a really good jazz improviser really does require a really good memory - it's not just about being "creative". Jazz improv isn't really making it up on the spot - there are lots of rules to remember and almost all the time you're playing links you've done before - a lot like footbag.
Aargh! I totaly must post here again! 
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Computers can only solve the problems they are taught to do. That's because they remember how it is to be done. Computers can improvise only from the information that they already have. (remember, computers don't have knowlege, only information, but that goes more to philosophy not psychology)
sorry for all the typos
What you just said doesn't match with your first statement! Because the stuff that basically everyone else said is bullshit but you got a point there. And so does Jeremy, althought I'm not sure if he understands that himselfBander87 wrote:Basically what everyone else said...
Computers can store huge amounts of information and do crazy calculations, but as we know computers arn't really smart. Smartness is applying what you know to solve new problems.
:DComputers can only solve the problems they are taught to do. That's because they remember how it is to be done. Computers can improvise only from the information that they already have. (remember, computers don't have knowlege, only information, but that goes more to philosophy not psychology)
sorry for all the typos