# Drilling #

QuantumBalance · Post by **QuantumBalance** » 18 Oct 2006 22:20

So, everything else aside, I think it would be beneficial to devote whole sessions (or parts of sessions) to working components and drills. I heard Ales Zelinka talk about this and I know that many people do this. But, this is for all us lesser folk to become better.

I was watchin Cod's Asia play (Asia's Cod was reflecting on the situation) and I was thinking what if she tried a symposium mirage and slipped on that hardwood floor she might seriously hurt herself. Once you have twisted your ankle a few times if you stick with it you can get a lot better at not doing that, but maybe it would discourage her or someone else from getting into the sport of footbag.

Today I did 40 legovers after a 30 min session. I'm out of shape right now and was tired. But, this is a good way to get in shape with minimized risk. For example if instead of freestyling Asia had just been practicing clippers or around the worlds, she probably would have less chance of injury. Granted Asia didn't get hurt that session and I'm glad she didn't and if any supersticious jinxs are occuring then I hereby devert them with a hearty Junx.

So I guess I'm longwindedly proposing that we all try to do a lot of clippers and clipper to op clippers and legover to legovers and atws to strengthen our components...

And for you advanced players work on drills, which you can proabably mostly all hit but go for REPS SON.

Who here thinks that David Clavens and Flash Gordon could hit the RUBBERMAN DRILL? Well, I bet they both could first try.

But, I wonder how many reps of rubberman they could do first try?
3?
5?
more?

Regardless of your skill level, you will benifit by drilling. You want to pick something that you can do a few of already, but not a whole bunch of and SKOOL!

So here are some nice examples of repeatable drills ascending in difficulty:

op inside kicks
op toe kicks
same inside kicks
same toe kicks
toe>toe
inside>inside
ss clip>ss clip
op clip>op clip
ss toe > op clip > ss toe > op clip
op clip > ss inside > op clip > ss inside
atw > atw
atw > pixie
rev atw > rev atw
rev atw > fairy
atw > fairy
swirl > ss swirl
swirl > op swirl

Etc.

Throw in some spinning gyro mirage illusion ducking etc and you can work your way up. Apply the same principles to all kinds of double dexes and what not. I can always write more later. But, you get the idea

I think this is the best way to train, and then when you want to freestyle it up, all your movements will be stronger and safer.

Hope it helps,
Sam C

Zeb Jackson · Post by **Zeb Jackson** » 18 Oct 2006 22:23

ive been doing this scince i started, and i learn quick from it, i dont think i could master different tricks using any other method

jay7 · Post by **jay7** » 19 Oct 2006 00:38

What is the other method...

From the start I just said "Lets work on this today" and for a few hours, I just, well, did that...By the end of it, I throw it into some strings, and possibly to a few of whatever in a row...

Senor Grommet · Post by **Senor Grommet** » 19 Oct 2006 07:55

Whiel I agree this is a good way to not get injured, it is also a way to guarantee that you will never get "good" at footbag in the conventional sense of the term. You may increase your stamina to epic proportions, but it won't lead to big add moves.

How will you ever hit superfly if you only practice far symple legovers or far symp butterflies but never practice the symp dbl dex part? You'll never hit it . . . thats the answer.

Until you're ready to be trying the move, don't try it. If you feel like you might get hurt, you aren't ready for it yet. When you know you won't get hurt trying it, you are ready to practice it. Trying it a bunch means that you have confidence you won't hurt yourself. And it is the only way to practice hard moves.

You cant hit blurry whirl without skooling a stepping set.

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 19 Oct 2006 08:26

I've been doing clip mirages bsos and I believe it has improved my consistency for toes and clippers in the same drill, but that's it. I have a ton of confidence in hitting legbeater and atom smasher if I have enough energy to exert it, but you can't do the move without knowing how to do an atomic set. Even schooling illusion is much different to the dexing component to atomic, as well as mirages to a quantum set. You just have to train on a certain move or set until you have the optomism to do it.

I'm pretty sure I can bsos atomic with much more work and stamina thrown into it.

Iron Clad Ben · Post by **Iron Clad Ben** » 19 Oct 2006 08:28

QuantumBalance wrote:Who here thinks that David Clavens and Flash Gordon could hit the RUBBERMAN DRILL? Well, I bet they both could first try.

Dude. Clavens drills. Clavens drills HARD. He dominated rippin' run at the US Open and from what I saw in the vid, Steel City too. At US Open he was telling me and a few other guys some of his drills. He drills consecutive blurry whirls and has the world record in those. He drills blurry whirl > blurry drifter > rpt. I think he said he's hit over 200 infinities.

But yeah, drilling is mad important. For shizzle.

Zeb Jackson · Post by **Zeb Jackson** » 19 Oct 2006 08:47

when i drill i dont essentially drill just basics, i do consecutive basics that i know i cant do very strongly, and then i drill tricks that i have trouble with like DSO or whatever

professor · Post by **professor** » 19 Oct 2006 09:07

Drilling is important. But like anything moderation is the key. For awhile during my footbag career all I did was drills/combos. It seems counterintuitive, but my string length really suffered because I was not used to doing more than 4 - 6 tricks at a time. Also my creativity went down the tubes.

So, you really need to mix up drilling with shred. When you're sore/tired drill the basics, otherwise drill stuff you have trouble with (new tricks, flipside, hard links, etc). If you can do certain tricks/links easy, why drill them?

Zeb Jackson · Post by **Zeb Jackson** » 19 Oct 2006 11:03

professor wrote:Drilling is important. But like anything moderation is the key. For awhile during my footbag career all I did was drills/combos. It seems counterintuitive, but my string length really suffered because I was not used to doing more than 4 - 6 tricks at a time. Also my creativity went down the tubes.

So, you really need to mix up drilling with shred. When you're sore/tired drill the basics, otherwise drill stuff you have trouble with (new tricks, flipside, hard links, etc). If you can do certain tricks/links easy, why drill them?

exactly

ShredOnLawn · Post by **ShredOnLawn** » 20 Oct 2006 10:01

I credit drilling for all my skills. I never would have been great without drilling for 2 years straight at the end of high school.

By getting in fantastic shape by drilling easy tricks your body will naturally learn harder tricks without even practicing them. Everyone has seen Felix hit Whirr and if you practice enough whirl drills someday you'll hit whirr with ease even with no Whirr practice. At least in my case.

QuantumBalance · Post by **QuantumBalance** » 20 Oct 2006 10:45

That's what I was trying to get at. Lon knows whatsup and hopefully some of you will recognize this too.

BenRea · Post by **BenRea** » 20 Oct 2006 11:31

i think a lot of people are saying something i have noticed a little while back: EXAMPLE: you can't do an ATW if you dont have toe stall down, of course, you will have to learn how to circle the bag correctly before you can hit ATW, so being able to do thousands of toe stalls doesnt mean you can hit it, although, you will have a much better chance than if you didnt practice drill the toe stalls.

so i guess what im trying to say is DRILL DRILL DRILL but when you have enough confidence, attempt the next part of that move.

More expamples:

you may be able to do a mirage...this doesnt mean you can do pixie mirage
you may be able to do a clipper...this doesnt mean you can do a ducking clipper
you may be able to torque...this doesnt mean you can do a blurry torque

Moral of the story: Drilling is important but don't always focus on it.

Wasabi · Post by **Wasabi** » 20 Oct 2006 11:55

BenRea wrote:you may be able to do a mirage...this doesnt mean you can do pixie mirage

I think toe blur is a much better move to use in this analogy, than pixie mirage.

BenRea · Post by **BenRea** » 20 Oct 2006 12:02

sorry if my anologies were crap...you still get what im trying to say though...right??

Dat · Post by **Dat** » 20 Oct 2006 23:26

I believe I would have avoided this hip injury if I had spent more time honing basics with drills, rather than going bigger than my skill was ready for at the time.

Senor Grommet wrote:Whiel I agree this is a good way to not get injured, it is also a way to guarantee that you will never get "good" at footbag in the conventional sense of the term. You may increase your stamina to epic proportions, but it won't lead to big add moves.

How will you ever hit superfly if you only practice far symple legovers or far symp butterflies but never practice the symp dbl dex part? You'll never hit it . . . thats the answer.

Until you're ready to be trying the move, don't try it. If you feel like you might get hurt, you aren't ready for it yet. When you know you won't get hurt trying it, you are ready to practice it. Trying it a bunch means that you have confidence you won't hurt yourself. And it is the only way to practice hard moves.

You cant hit blurry whirl without skooling a stepping set.

Senor Grommet wrote:for ATWs, find a device around your house that is similar in shape to a pole, an orange cone like you'd find at a road construction side, etc. and stand it upright. Then stand on 1 leg and do "dexercise."

Start slowly, circling the pole thingy with 1 leg in-to-out about 30 times, the stop and do it with the other leg in-to-out 30 times. THen switch again and do it out-to-in 30 times, and switch legs again out-to-in.

Then do the same thing again faster. the key is to have leg movements around your object that are shaped circularly and fairly tight around the circumference of the cone. The wider your "dexes" (leg mvmts) are, the slower they will be.

http://modified.in/footbag/viewtopic.php?t=7398

I don't get how you can be against drilling and be a big advocate of dexercising at the same time. Dexercising is essentially drilling.

james_dean · Post by **james_dean** » 21 Oct 2006 18:06

Drilling is the bomb. Why are you all acting like he said you should only drill? He's just trying to encourage people to drill more... and drilling produces skills.

<3 drills

oh, professor.... that's where I'm at at the moment

Except I drill BOPs a crapload too and still don't have good string length. I need to string more. Solo shred sucks sometimes.

QuantumBalance · Post by **QuantumBalance** » 22 Oct 2006 14:38

I think string length has to do with stamina, form, and confidence.

Senor Grommet · Post by **Senor Grommet** » 23 Oct 2006 08:22

In my original post in this thread, I sort of misinterpreted Sam's post, and then I went off on my own tangent.

Drilling IS important, and yes, everyone will benefit from drilling. I, however, do not think that drilling is the only way, or the best way to get good at footbag.

And as far a dexercise goes, it is a schooling technique, not a drilling technique Dat. If you have never hit a double down move, do you drill it or skool it? You skool it. Dexercise is for skooling, (i.e., learning a move you dont have yet) not practicing linking it in combos with other moves.

Anyway, Sam is right that drilling is valuable. To each his own.

Dat · Post by **Dat** » 23 Oct 2006 10:10

I think you're limiting your concept of drills to complete tricks. To me drilling is repetitive practice of something to build strength, control, confidence, and in turn, speed. That's exactly how I perceive your description of dexercising, a drill involving repetitive circular motions to improve dexing ability.

Yes, dexercising can be a tool for working towards double downs, but that doesn't mean it isn't a drill. You're not "skooling" circular motions with dexercising, you already understand dexing. You're just making them better through repetition, before actually diving into double downs. Dexercising is not the equivalent of learning the complete double down trick.

In all the other sports I've played, I practiced drills similar to dexercising, where I repeated simple acts and motions to help my overall game. Go talk to a basketball or tennis coach about drills they have their players do. I remember PT Lovern talking to you about the drill for net where you just kick a footbag up against a wall to rack up contacts.

Convince me dexercising doesn't work on the same principles as drills.

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