The world against Bush - impossible to find!

Flipsider · Post by **Flipsider** » 15 Oct 2004 21:56

In Canada and the rest of the world, this is all over the news, but I could not find it anywhere on U.S. news websites. Ten major newspapers conducted scientific polls in ten different countries, and this is what they found:

direct to the poll results:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sondage_mondi ... ats_en.php

direct to the article:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sondage_mondi ... 816138.php

The numbers are striking. Just a little commentary, I'm sick of hearing people say/imply (including Bush) that it doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks because America decides what's best for America. Since the USA is the most internationally active superpower, the opinions of those in other countries whose lives are directly affected by America's actions actually matter very much. And what's more is that the way the rest of the world regards America is what determines the safety of America. I see a sharp division between prevention and protection, but Bush makes them seem one in the same. It's like eating hamburgers and smoking cigarettes: you know they will give you health problems, so you can either stop harming your body or just take pills and delay the onset of disease, while your actual condition worsens and weakens.

Enjoy, and share your thoughts.

Senor Grommet · Post by **Senor Grommet** » 16 Oct 2004 11:19

I went straight to the results; I didnt read the article, and I have to say that although the reults are striking, the number of ungrammatical questions, misspellings and errors in the questions makes me question the validity of this poll. One would expect that if someone/something went through the effort to take a "worldwide" poll, they would at least make a site that accurately reflected the questions that were asked, no?

Im a bit skeptical, but overall, it was enlightening.

RRW13 · Post by **RRW13** » 16 Oct 2004 11:31

yeah i seen that on MSNBC this morning only two countries in the world favor Bush for re-electon.

Seath · Post by **Seath** » 16 Oct 2004 11:54

The grammatical errors is just shotty web design

C-Fan · Post by **C-Fan** » 17 Oct 2004 17:12

Saw this on the NYTimes.com website. But yeah, I don`t doubt that most of the US media wouldn`t cover this too much. I kinda figured though that it was because the results were so unsurprising.

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 17 Oct 2004 22:37

Here's a story about it from a "righty" website:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/article ... 4944.shtml

I don't know why these polls should be major U.S. news.

Foreign opinion should be translated by American voters this way:

"So who does France want us to have as President? Really?
Well then I better vote for the other guy."

-n

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 17 Oct 2004 23:11

Ellis wrote:
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(...) because America decides what's best for America.(....)

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"American's get the leaders they deserve."

-unknown

I forget if this is the exact wording I remember, I keep thinking about it though.-n

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 17 Oct 2004 23:14

America deserved George Bush.

America deserved Bill Clinton

New York deserved Hillary Clinton.

California deserved the Terminator.

-n

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 18 Oct 2004 09:41

Here's a CNN link about Putin recommending the opposite:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10 ... index.html

-n

Tsiangkun · Post by **Tsiangkun** » 18 Oct 2004 09:47

Americans need to recognize there is no safety in a world where America is hated, and a hated leader can not restore the damage he did through a second term. A second term would change the polls from 80% hate THIS administration to 80% hate Americans.

Bush is bad for Americas security.

HighDemonslayer · Post by **HighDemonslayer** » 18 Oct 2004 14:54

Maybe hate is the wrong word.

People don't like to admit that they are jealous.

They want the power and wealth of America for themselves.

Real hate exists for sure, but when did we start appeasing the "haters" in order to be liked?

Should we accomodate those who hate Jews, blacks, fags, and women in power?

Or should we condemn their hatred and give them nothing?

-n

max · Post by **max** » 18 Oct 2004 23:33

Yes people [foreigners to be more precise] are jealous of the american superpower. No doubt about that. Yet I know that a lot of those jealous people would LOVE to see Bush elected for another term because he is making the US look like the equivalent of some dumb 13yr old AOLer on a message board.

hacksterbator · Post by **hacksterbator** » 19 Oct 2004 21:41

the gramatical errors would be be cause cyberpress is a french language e-zine, and i'm thinking that they aren't to worried about the english side of their site.

RRendsvig · Post by **RRendsvig** » 27 Oct 2004 07:28

Jealous?!
HA!
The only reason I wish my small country had your power was to stop you from from using it! The Ol' Precious US of A scare the hell out of me!
Wealth?!
HA!
To me the american nation seems poor - I would rather live without the material goods I have now than accept the norms and values USA stand for.

KYOTO NOW!

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 29 Oct 2004 06:35

Nationalism is Anti-Humanity.
Property is Theft.

I'm not jealous about what the US stand for.
I'm not jealous about what the US "archieved".
I'm not jealous about what the US "own".

There is danger for you, it IS true that Bush only raises that danger.
But the source of danger ain't no fundamentalists; they are told almost the same shit like you are told and if they only think about what the US did to them and their neighbours, they have to see the danger coming from you.

The real problem is that hate-based nationalist and capitalist government you (or your people) are controlled by. It's not saddam and not a third world nation nuclear weapon program.

Thruth is written by the observer,
propaganda is written by the victorous.

shreddaily · Post by **shreddaily** » 30 Oct 2004 11:22

I get a wierd feeling every time I hear US government say, "We'll hunt and kill those evil terroists if its the last thing we do." I especialy like it when they add "in the name of God." It always seems like I've heard that before from some other political group.

ville · Post by **ville** » 01 Nov 2004 08:25

Here's a few online polls, they're not very reliable, but they still give some kind of an idea.

The first one is made by a finnish marketing agency, they advertized it on the streets to gain publicity. The page is in finnish, but I'm sure you understand the result

http://www.varjovaalit.com/tulossivu.php

http://217.160.163.211/globalvote2004/

And I'd like to say that I think this type of thinking displayed by america is why people hate america:

HighDemonslayer wrote: People don't like to admit that they are jealous.

They want the power and wealth of America for themselves.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 01 Nov 2004 16:24

Exactly!

People hate the US because they think they are so good and know what is best for everybody else. No other country enforces it's beliefs on the rest of the world like the US do. The hypocricy is enourmas. The US is "The land of the Free" and yet they sponsor dictators, support right wing militias and drug lords and frankly don't give a fuck about democracy or freedom in any country. The constant lies that come from the US are nausating. "The war on Iraq is helping fight the war against Terrorism" - No there are no links between Saddam Huissain and any terrorist networks. There are terrorist attacks in Iraq now because that's the only way poor people who aren't pacifists can fight back against an invading force. I am sure that many people here would fight if their country was invaded. And as for "brining democracy to Iraq" - how about bringing democracy to your own country first. If the scandals from the last US election occured in Australia the election would be called off and a full investigation would be launched. - In the US you are FREE to cheat and lie and break the rules to win the election. You are FREE to fuck up any other country you want. You are FREE to exploit the third world and bribe them into supporting your position with "aid" - aid that doesn't actually help the nation to get out of it's poverty but makes them dependant on your aid so that you can keep them doing what you want.

The fact is that most countries understand this and hate the US government and their imperalism. In Australia I am sure that at least 80% of people feel the same way.

shreddaily · Post by **shreddaily** » 01 Nov 2004 21:59

In US 80% of the people feel the same too.

Most of us aren't blind, everything you've brought up is brought up over here on the news and in books ALL THE TIME. So if you must hate us for living in a society that is characterizedby all the things Jeremy mentions, then hate us you must.

shreddaily · Post by **shreddaily** » 01 Nov 2004 22:04

on second though more like 40%