The reason for Bush's re-election

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Why did the American People re-elect Bush?

Out of fear of further terrorist attakcs on our soil
4
8%
Because of "moral" issues
5
10%
Bush has abetter "plan" for Iraq
2
4%
He was a good president the first time around
4
8%
He was a better that the alternative
0
No votes
Americans are stupid
29
60%
Economic Issues
0
No votes
A combination of factors
4
8%
 
Total votes: 48

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hey, my first venture into posting in the discussion forum.
HighDemonSlayer wrote:Props to Jeremy for getting it mostly right on my signature. I did it partially as a jab. It apparently worked.

I was thinking of changing it.


But it sounds great, like out of a comic book. I should have said I could leap tall buildings in single bound.



"Citizen of the world" implies a borderless, one-world government world, where a government of pedophiles in Brussels dictates policy to America and the world.

A world ruled by George Soros, with Michael Moore as the Minister of Truth.

Naw, I don't want to be a citizen of that world.



I am a "Hero to the Earth", because I don't wantonly consume resources, unless those resources contain alcohol.


My fishing licence fees have probably done more for the environment than most treehuggers will.
WOW! i've only read a few other of nathan's posts and i didnt think i agreed with him at all, but reading this post...it was amusing in parts, and quite poignantly accurate in others.
also, tsiangkun, it is actually impossible to predict anything involved with chaos theory. thats why its called that. and thats just a small example with the flipping of a quarter...anything invloved with human interaction is exponentially more impossible to predict.
moving on...i dont read the NY times for a reason. a lot of it is bullshit, and it sounds like you got half of that from the goddam 'opinions' (<--sometimes called editorials, depending on the paper) page.
another point, in regards to students saying newspapers should need government approval. first of all, it doesnt specify exactly what is to be printed. some things SHOULD be edited by the government, such as secure information, and names of victims, etc. but more importantly, students are stupid. america's youth (myself included) is getting less intelligent every generation, it almost seems. its called the dumbing down of america.
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ok.

There is no predicition. Predicition is where someone attempts to address a situation that has not occured. There was no pre election calculation to predict anything. What we have is a mathematical analyses of data collected from an election. This is very different than a prediction. This is straight scientific testing of an hypothesis.

The hypothesis is,

IF the irregularities occured due to chance, THEN we expect to see them distributed roughly evenly. We apply a simple non-apriori chi-square analysis to the data and we get a probability of the event occuring by chance. We can then use our own power of understanding to decide between one of two scenarios.

A) we have just witnessed a truly remarkably random event that occurs once every 200 million chances. This option is popular with people who believe there were no dinosaurs, the earth is 6011 years old, and Bush is a man of God, and all the scientists are wrong about global warming. People holding these antediluvian beliefs are commonly refered to as the "Faith Based" community.

or

B) The irregularities were not due to random chance. This option is prefered by the "reality based" community.

The mathematics neither intend to, nor pretend to , address the nature of the nonrandomness; however, It takes a little less brain power than has a trained ant to figure out that if ALL of the irregularites favored ONE guy, who is most likely getting the shaft in the process.

The quote was taken from the Guardian/UK. Obviously it sounds like bullshit to you, it's written with a more global perspective presented with the benefit, and use of hindsight to shine light on a situation by framing the current presidents sunny, happy remarks, in a way that brings to mind the history of similar events, and the manner in which they resolved themselves.
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What we have is a mathematical analyses of data collected from an election.
Yeh, and we know this mathematical analyses is very accurate, if only proved by the fact that cassinos and insurance agencies exist... If it was imposible to predict these things neither of these companies would be in existance...
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"Citizen of the world" implies a borderless, one-world government world, where a government of pedophiles in Brussels dictates policy to America and the world.

A world ruled by George Soros, with Michael Moore as the Minister of Truth.

Naw, I don't want to be a citizen of that world.
While on the subject of idiotic predictions...
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Very Scary. Newspapers are obsolete, though.
Ah yes an blogs will take over and then the damned liberal media would be done for!
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Because they supress the truth and propagate misinformation.
Federal officials were repeatedly warned in the months before the 11 September 2001 terror attacks that Osama bin Laden and al-Qa'ida were planning aircraft hijackings and suicide attacks, according to a new report that the Bush administration has been suppressing.
http://www2.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/ ... /index.htm
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How George W. Bush Won Second-Term U.S. Presidency in 2004
by Noam Chomsky
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Of the people who voted for candidate George Bush, the major categories were people who were concerned about terror and about national security. It’s claimed that people who were concerned about values voted for Bush, but that’s mostly a statistical artifact. When you asked the further question, “What values do you have in mind?” it turned out that the major values were things like, “I don’t like this society because it’s too materialistic,” and “There’s too much oppression.” Those are the values. Is that what Bush stands for? Getting rid of that? As far as terrorism is concerned, the administration very consciously chose actions that it was expected would increase the threat of terror and, in fact, did. It’s not because they want terror, it’s just not much of a priority for them.

People who voted for Bush tended to assume that he was in favor of their views, even if the Republican Party platform was diametrically opposed to them. The same was largely true of Kerry voters.

The reason for this is that the parties try to exclude the population from participation. So they don’t present issues, policies, agendas, and so on. They project imagery, and people either don’t bother or they vote for the image. The Gallup Poll regularly asks, “Why are you voting?” One of the choices is, “I’m voting for the candidate’s stand on issues.” That was 6% for Bush, and 13% for Kerry—and most of those voters were deluded about the positions of the candidates. So what you have is essentially flipping a coin. Each candidate got approximately 30% of the electorate. Bush got 31%, Kerry got 29%.

The party managers know where the public stands on a whole list of issues. Their funders just don’t support them; the interests they represent don’t support them. So they project a different kind of image.

If you listen to the presidential debates, you can’t figure out what they’re saying, and that’s on purpose. The last debate was supposed to be about domestic issues. The New York Times commented that Kerry didn’t make any hint about possible government involvement in health care programs because that position has, in their words, “no political support.” Well, according to the most recent polls, 80% of the population thinks that the government ought to guarantee health care for everyone, and furthermore regard it as a moral obligation. That tells you something about people’s values. But there’s “no political support.”

Why? Because the pharmaceutical industry is opposed, the financial institutions are opposed, the insurance industry is opposed, so there’s “no political support.” It doesn’t matter if 80% of the population regard it as a moral obligation: That doesn’t count as political support. It tells you something about the elite conception. You’re supposed to vote for the image they’re projecting. That’s not surprising really. Just ask yourself, “Who runs the elections?”

The elections are run by the same guys who sell toothpaste. They show you an image of a sports hero, or a sexy model, or a car going up a sheer cliff or something, which has nothing to do with the commodity, but it’s intended to delude you into picking this one rather than another one. Same when they run elections. But they’re assigned that task in order to marginalize the public, and furthermore, people are pretty well aware of it.

For many years, election campaigns here have been run by the public relations industry and each time it’s with increasing sophistication. Quite naturally, the industry uses the same technique to sell candidates that it uses to sell toothpaste or lifestyle drugs. The point is to undermine markets by projecting imagery to delude and suppressing information—and similarly, to undermine democracy by the same method.

In the year 2000, there was a huge fuss afterwards about the stolen election, with the Florida chads and the Supreme Court. But ask yourself who was exorcised about it? It was all among a small group of intellectuals. They were the ones who were upset about it. There was never any public resonance for this. In the current election it’s being reiterated. There’s a big fuss among intellectuals about the vote in Ohio, how the voting machines didn’t work, and other things. But the interesting thing is that nobody cares.

Why don’t people care if the election is stolen? The reason is that they don’t take the election seriously in the first place. They reacted about the way that people react to television ads. It’s a mode of delusion. If the Democrats want to succeed in that game, they’re just going to have to figure out better ways of delusion.

There is an alternative, and that is to try to run a program that’s committed to developing a democratic society in which people’s opinions matter.

These are remarks Noam Chomsky made on Jan. 25 at events in Santa Fe, NM, celebrating the 25th anniversary of the International Relations Center (IRC), online at www.irc-online.org. Chomsky is a member of the IRC’s board of directors. Noam Chomsky is the author of Hegemony or Survival. Noam has been an IRC board member for fifteen years and a steadfast supporter of IRC’s mission and programs.
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