Ducking Symposium Butterfly........errrrrrr

FootbagJunky · Post by **FootbagJunky** » 23 Feb 2005 18:18

Me Hitting This thing

Have anyone experimented with the Symp. Butterfly......errrrrr. That shiznit is tuff, yo. I think it should get an extra add because it's a lot tuffer than symp. butterfly stall. Anywho I also hit a Symposium Dragonfly...errrr, Yayyyy go me, ha ha I'm a loser.well what are you thunking aboot this, ehhh.

dazza · Post by **dazza** » 23 Feb 2005 18:33

butterflies cant be symposium, like legovers for example,
since u have to plant the setting leg...
this trick u hit would be a ducking butterfly kick and i guess,
it would be 4 adds, if i'm not mistaken.
looks nice, btw !

ericksonj · Post by **ericksonj** » 23 Feb 2005 18:39

I like it, mostly because you did it like a ducking paradox flail bailed to flying clipper. Not really like a ducking symple butterfly, which is actually quite easy.

btw props, if you could throw that in a run that would be slick.

Tripp · Post by **Tripp** » 23 Feb 2005 18:58

Bullspit. That Butterfly is as Symposium as Symposium can be. He doesn't plant his setting leg at all. Butterflies are like Mirages or Illusions - they can't be Symple, only Symposium. I'd definitely give this 5 ADDs since it's about 18 times harder than a Ducking Symposium Butterfly Stall.

habitat · Post by **habitat** » 23 Feb 2005 19:06

I always did wonder why a frontside atomic set gets symp, but a symp butterfly doesn't, it looks like the same motion to me, one downtime one uptime? am I crazy ?

ericksonj · Post by **ericksonj** » 23 Feb 2005 19:12

its because frontside atomic must land before the next component. With this you can kick the bag before the symposium leg hits the ground, making it symple.

FootbagJunky · Post by **FootbagJunky** » 23 Feb 2005 19:24

this is a lot harder my fot never does touch the ground til after my symp. foot does not saying it's the prettiest thing but I think it's defintely symp. maybe I'm wrong I don't know it was just something I was messing around with and found it real hard and figured I would post it

ericksonj · Post by **ericksonj** » 23 Feb 2005 19:28

Uh Josh I'm sorry to say that butterflies cannot be symposium. Plus he does not hit a butterfly.

Shredfish · Post by **Shredfish** » 23 Feb 2005 19:37

This move is unfortunately 3 adds...duck, dex, kick. If it were to be a stall obviously it would be 4. This trick is VERY styley though. Props.... According to the sympsosium rule, butterfly should be able to be symp. But i think the reason why it doesn't is that it's simply too easy. Don't get me wrong, the trick you did, Nate, is harder. I'm just talking about symp. butterfly itself...you mentioned that it should get an extra add, but the thing about the add system is that it gives a GENERAL level of difficulty to a trick. Around when I was starting out, I did a PS osis...i was really excited about it...then someone told me "uh...that's just a really styley osis...doesn't get any extra adss...but props man." That's pretty much what i'm saying.

FootbagJunky · Post by **FootbagJunky** » 23 Feb 2005 19:44

well if a flying Butterfly is three adds then why isn't a ducking Flying Butterfly 4 adds. That would make sense but maybe it's me.

Shredfish · Post by **Shredfish** » 23 Feb 2005 20:00

My mistake...I shouldn't checked .org first. I forgot about the body add (jump). I don't think there needs to be one though

wolfpac444 · Post by **wolfpac444** » 23 Feb 2005 20:04

I think it is a little fuzzy because the notion of "flying" has never really been properly defined. If you define it as a "symple kick/stall" (a kick/stall where the kicking leg jumps off the ground while the other leg is in the air) then your trick does not meet that definition. If you define it as a kick/stall where both legs are in the air, then yours would qualify to get a body add for flying.

As to the whole symposium butterfly thing, I don't think in any sense it makes sense to call any variation of butterfly symple. If you say that a symposium dex is a dex where the dexing leg jumps off the ground and lands without the other foot planting, then butterflies can be symposium. Whether or not onewants to give it the body add is largely based on personal preference. Your trick is a little sketchier with respect to symposium because you kick the bag before the butterfly leg hits the ground.

Shredster · Post by **Shredster** » 23 Feb 2005 20:55

Personally a "symposium" butterfly does exist, but only if it is clean (as in the bag isn't pulled through the dex leg)

Though this isn't a debate over symposium butterflies, thats my belief, and yes, it is harder.

mosher · Post by **mosher** » 23 Feb 2005 21:50

Cool trick regardless.

Outsider · Post by **Outsider** » 24 Feb 2005 07:29

Cool trick, yes,

and I hate to be discouraging,

but I wouldn't even call it a flyer.

mosher · Post by **mosher** » 24 Feb 2005 07:46

I'd call it flying AND symposium.

Take THAT everyone.

Tripp · Post by **Tripp** » 24 Feb 2005 15:20

Me too.

James, Butterflies can be Symposium but they can't be Symple. That's like saying a Pogo set is an uptime Symple Mirage, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And how does he not hit a Butterfly in that video? Haha.

Your trick is a little sketchier with respect to symposium because you kick the bag before the butterfly leg hits the ground.

Good call. Although, I don't know how when his foot makes contact with the bag has anything to do with how the dex is performed.

Aaaaaanyways, when we were messing around with this, I actually didn't believe Nate could put a duck in it. But he did, so I'm impressed.

habitat · Post by **habitat** » 24 Feb 2005 19:02

Tripp wrote:But he did, so I'm impressed.

Indeed!

FootbagJunky · Post by **FootbagJunky** » 24 Feb 2005 19:19

Your such a sweet heart Josh, but I'm sure I will surpirse you more considering your helping me out. Who knows maybe I could even surpass the teacher so to speak. Anyways Josh shred with you some time soon maybe I'll call you on Friday to shred a little although my shin splint is still hurting but I'll get over it.