Abortion

pips · Post by **pips** » 13 May 2005 12:31

Toward the condom and who's responsibility it is...

Technically it should be the man's responsibility, since it goes on him, but really, it should be both people's responsibility. Technically sex is meant to have kids and not pleasure, but if it is going toward pleasure, both people better make sure they aren't going to have a kid. To tell you the truth...I have been scared of sex for kid reasons and didn't do it for a long time compared to most people in this stupid world these days. But my boyfriend made me feel like I was ready--and I really don't think I ever was...I was just curious--and I am slapping myself for it now. He decided not to use condoms cuz he claimed that pulling out was ok. Me being the stupidest person around when it comes to drugs and sex, thought, "Well ok you've been with 20 other people, so you must know what you are talking about." Guess what happened! It turns out that pulling out does not work, and I am stuck with having a baby. Yippie skippie. I wish I would have questioned him or someone and found out the truth and said, "Hey, hey, no condom no sex, buddy."

I don't know what this has to do with abortion, but I thought I would mention my thought since it popped up. Maybe my point is don't have sex for pleasure, and then you won't have to worry about abortion if the situation comes up. I REALLY, REALLY wish I never gave up my virginity now.

tuomoruutufan · Post by **tuomoruutufan** » 13 May 2005 13:32

Chrissy is a perfect example of how great the morning after pill would be.

Were all stupid sometimes wether it being naive, drunk, high, accident, rape, whatever shit happens and if the morning after pill was available and properly EXPLAINED so that people dont think its abortion, it would be a safe assumption that abortion would drop 60-75 percent.

There were many many doctors who pushed for a plan to give out 2 morning after pills to every women *JUST IN CASE* at her first gyno visit. keep it in your medicine cabinet.

With this people would also become properly educated on what the morning after pill is.

Since i have been mentioning this so much let me explain what it does.

In order for a girl to get knocked up sperm have to be alive and present for the release of the egg. Theres 1 egg a month and the sperm can live for about 72 hours (3 days). The morning after pill acts just the same as a normal pill that is taken nightly But the morning after pill is so much stronger that it acts quickly and effectively.

So this is not the most reliable method due to it being very related to timing. There is a 3 day period that ovulation can take place and you need to have that pill in you before that happens so the quicker you take the pill the better. Its been estimated that within 24 hrs 85-90% effective within 48 hrs its 80-85% effective and the last possible day its up to 70-80 % effective.

This is odviously important and is the reason its call EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTIVE. But non the less its a hell of alot better than nothing and can stop many abortions.

Now interesting fact: If you or your gf are on the basic nightly pill you basically have a morning after pill at your disposal. In the case you forgot to take your pill for a couple of days and then had unprotected sex you take your next full week and it suposebly works the same way. Im not a doctor so i would advise calling a doctor first to be on the safe side, but knowledge is good.

Anybody who wants to pick up the morning pill try www.planparenthood.com keep some 2 of these bad boys and lets start trying to keep unwanted pregnancys on the downfall.

and chrissy um i dont want to scare you but this guy you slept with is a moron and well its a fat chance that alot of these other girls he slept with was also unprotected i would definately get checked for stds it may be vital to the health of the baby and yourself. good luck to ya

tuomoruutufan · Post by **tuomoruutufan** » 13 May 2005 13:40

i mad sure my link to plan parenthood worked and i found this article. about the fda and goverments ignoring the facts on the morning after pill so that they dont offend the ANTI CHOICE NAZIS

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/po ... 5876E135DC

Guest_2 · Post by **Guest_2** » 13 May 2005 22:10

pips wrote:Technically it should be the man's responsibility, since it goes on him, but really, it should be both people's responsibility. Technically sex is meant to have kids and not pleasure, but if it is going toward pleasure, both people better make sure they aren't going to have a kid.

Condoms don't just go on guys. Each share responsibility; hence, there are Female Condoms.

pips wrote:Maybe my point is don't have sex for pleasure, and then you won't have to worry about abortion if the situation comes up. I REALLY, REALLY wish I never gave up my virginity now.

Sex is for pleasure. Orgasm and ejaculation are two seperate events, and can be seperated. However, there is a small amount of semen in pre-ejaculatory fluid, which is almost always uncontrolled. We could wax intellectual on this, and I'm not in the mood to turn this into a sex thread, but I'll say it anyway; Virginity is a nonexistant concept created to subserveanize women.

tuomoruutufan wrote:Theres 1 egg a month and the sperm can live for about 72 hours (3 days).

Actually, sperm can live up to five days inside of a woman. Fertile eggs live up to 3 (I think). There's about a 7-8 day window where a woman can become pregnant.

tuomoruutufan wrote:and chrissy um i dont want to scare you but this guy you slept with is a moron and well its a fat chance that alot of these other girls he slept with was also unprotected i would definately get checked for stds it may be vital to the health of the baby and yourself. good luck to ya

Too true. You do need to be tested. 3/4 people do not know they have an STD because there are no symptoms. You might want to check out http://www.sexualhealth.com. Most of their information is correct.

Moxie · Post by **Moxie** » 13 May 2005 22:26

TheVindicator wrote:...I'm not in the mood to turn this into a sex thread, but I'll say it anyway; Virginity is a nonexistant concept created to subserveanize women.

http://modified.ca/footbag/viewtopic.ph ... 351#145351
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pips · Post by **pips** » 14 May 2005 08:49

Ok ok. So you (Vindicator) are being a smart-alex, I am pretty sure that everyone knew what I meant when I said it.

And Tuomoruutufan, I don't like it when you say I am a perfect example, because I really am not. One of my points to that last story was that I did not know certain things; therefore, I would not have even thought that I would possibly get pregnant and not used the pill if I had one.

But anyways...back on to abortion...I have been thinking about this thread a lot, and I think I came to my conclusion (if I am saying it again in a different way...oh well): I personally think that abortion is not the answer to any of the problems you think you are going to solve, but knock yourself out if you want to.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 14 May 2005 09:21

pips wrote:Technically sex is meant to have kids and not pleasure,

Jeremy's Brother, Kester says: Actually, technically sex has no purpose at all. It's just that if we don't have sex then our species will die out and we won't be able to have debates like this one.

carl winslow · Post by **carl winslow** » 14 May 2005 19:06

there were societies that thought sex was evil, seriously. they died out obviously.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 14 May 2005 19:52

Despite the fact that I really hate it when Kester posts on modified in my account - which is because I always click on "automatically log me in" - He's absolutely right.

You can take two views on sex - Hundreds of years of subjective studies of the world and the way it works using logic and reasoning show that there is a very high chance that sex has no purpose - neither pleasure or reproducing. Purpose is a very bad word to use. There are reasons why sex still exists - but what we see now is more like the outcome of car crash - who would have expected the arm would end up there? - But if you have enough details you can explain why the arm ended up there. The arms purpose was not to end up in that position. If the arm ended up somewhere else - the result of the crash would not be any better or worse.

Or rather than taking the unbiased quest for knowledge view, you can take the view that sex is somehow related to your spirituality and believe whatever you want to. I tend to "believe" that either way, it won't change the nature of sex at all - just your perception of it - and frankly most of our perceptions of everything tend to be not quite right.

tuomoruutufan · Post by **tuomoruutufan** » 15 May 2005 08:30

Well i guess my information is based upon the amount of time you have to take the pill not actually how long the sperm and egg live.

My bad and thank you for correcting my mixed up info.

Pip The reason you didnt know about The morning after pill is because it has been protested by the Xtians And its Terribly INcorect abortion tag has put this should be miracle to unwanted pregnancys behind closed doors. Im an advid listener to love line and it has helped me understand alot of this. me and my gf have been very sexually active

for the past 3 years And i take that responsibility very serious. I wish other people had the oportunity or the will power to do the same.

BainbridgeShred · Post by **BainbridgeShred** » 15 May 2005 08:56

I don't understand, Kester says sex is there to maintain our species in reponse to Shawn saying the only purpose of sex is to have kids? Where does the argument stem from?

Colin · Post by **Colin** » 15 May 2005 08:59

Something's purpose and effect aren't related, Brain.

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 15 May 2005 10:19

That's not what Kester says at all Dan. Sex maintains our species. It doesn't do this because it want's to or because it's told to. In fact sex is not a personality and has no control over it's purpose. In fact sex has no purpose. The point is that if something didn't maintain our species - our species wouldn't exist. That is not a bad thing - the point of our species or any species is not to continue existing or to carry on our line of dna - it's just that if we don't - we don't exist.

Seath · Post by **Seath** » 15 May 2005 11:07

Abortion is baaaad.. baaaaad BAAAAAAAD

kester · Post by **kester** » 16 May 2005 05:21

BainbridgeShred wrote:I don't understand, Kester says sex is there to maintain our species in reponse to Shawn saying the only purpose of sex is to have kids? Where does the argument stem from?

Yeah, no.

It's like this. You put a whole lot of water at the top of a hill and it'll run down and make a river. But the purpose of water isn't to make rivers. It doesn't have a purpose. It just happens that if you put a whole lot of water at the top of a hill it will run down and make a river. Just like if a species reproduces they'll still be around a hundred thousand years later and if they don't they won't. No purpose, just the way things are. Deal with it.

sPinko-Mania · Post by **sPinko-Mania** » 16 May 2005 17:35

Ding, that's correct kester but I'm afraid you didn't give your answer in the form of a question

Mightymic · Post by **Mightymic** » 29 Aug 2005 10:27

Hi all i figured id make this my first post-

FUCK THE FETUS ABORT NOW!

professor · Post by **professor** » 29 Aug 2005 10:30

Very Mature.

Way to make a first impression.

shreddaily · Post by **shreddaily** » 29 Aug 2005 10:52

I'm glad this topic isn' about abortion anymore and I can rant about something else.

Kester and Jeremy that is some messed up logic you are using. Sounds like something a preacher/infomercial would use o get them on you're side. Sex both feels good and is essential to our survival... if that is not a "purpose" nothing is. what actualy serves a purpose under your logic??
and why do animals who act only on instinct have sex. eat, stay alive, reproduce...thats their only purpose.
I seem to remember from biology class my professor saying something along the lins of...sex feels good because it is essential to our surviaval. If it hurt to have sex no one would do it and he species would die out. Especialy those specoes who act upon instinct, ie instincitvly do things that feel good....but I take all of that with a grain of salt.

FlexThis · Post by **FlexThis** » 29 Aug 2005 12:32

Nate, if you were any wiser you'd be an Owl

-hoot!

[raises hand in excitement] Oh Oh pick me I have a story.

Seems like I always have stories when it comes to side pickin', side splittin', politically motivated, religious or otherwise controversial discussions.

I can't say I can pick a side on the issue of abortion. I try to look at it on a case by case basis. Anyways here is my story.

My older sister had 6 abortions before the birth of her first child at the age of 15. That's right I said 6 before the age of 15. Beat that White Trash Treasures!

Anyways, our family was not aware of her abortions. She had them all under the cloak of secrecy. Our family at the time was mostly Catholic and do not allow birth control. Well I'd say she followed that letter to the law. Unfortunately no birth control, leads to birth.

I don't know what her life would have been like had she had all 6, I mean damn - 6. Today she is a mother of 2 (was 3), her middle daughter died this year due to a lung disorder. She often wonders if God is punishing her for killing 6 kids. She lives in a trailor and always has. She works full-time at a Wendy's restaraunt and between her and her husband can barely make ends meet. Kids are expensive.

Anyways, I love my sister and respect her decisions. Don't know if I would have made the same though.

My other sister had both her children. She doesn't live any healthier or wealthier. Same shit, different sister.

JUST DON'T DO IT (Have sex unprotected that is)!!! - take that Nike

~peace
Damon