Drug talk on Modified

Sporatical_Distractions · Post by **Sporatical_Distractions** » 25 May 2005 18:04

habitat wrote: wow dude, if I seen someone slamming some dope at a footbag party, I would be like wtf? I would probably then leave as well, fuck crack

what about seth and his meth? jk (inside joke)

QuantumBalance · Post by **QuantumBalance** » 25 May 2005 21:29

It's not like drug topics are in the general footbag section. KICKING CIRCLE! I can't believe frournier's poetry was brought up, do you want him to stop writing it?

You people are BLAH! Stop being pansies and dont read topics you don't like. Thanks Amelia for having something intelligent to say.

Stupid wrote:
quote]Nothing on this forum should be censored at all unless it is nasty shit I dont want to read or see in the first place.[/quote]

Censorship is for weak minds.

wolfpac444 · Post by **wolfpac444** » 25 May 2005 23:03

QuantumBalance wrote:Censorship is for weak minds.

Just like drugs ;-]

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 26 May 2005 03:20

well I'm sure you take drugs too

Moxie · Post by **Moxie** » 26 May 2005 09:58

comastalker wrote:well I'm sure you take drugs too

Are you joking, or have you never actually talked to him or read his posts? If you knew him at all you wouldn't make that assumption.
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Seath · Post by **Seath** » 26 May 2005 10:00

I'm of the weak mind..
yessssssss.

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 26 May 2005 13:25

Moxie wrote:
comastalker wrote:well I'm sure you take drugs too
Are you joking, or have you never actually talked to him or read his posts? If you knew him at all you wouldn't make that assumption.

Well, you ask the wrong questions.
You should ask what drugs are. Maybe you now get my point

Dat · Post by **Dat** » 26 May 2005 13:32

comastalker wrote:You should ask what drugs are. Maybe you now get my point

I thought this thread was all about recreational drugs, not all drugs.

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 26 May 2005 13:34

that doesn't matter.
I was answering to wolfpacs statement which, regarding the fact that everyone takes drugs is degrading and elitarist

wolfpac444 · Post by **wolfpac444** » 26 May 2005 13:58

Okay, I'll ask, what are drugs?

Seath · Post by **Seath** » 26 May 2005 15:37

drugs, rock and roll, satans minions, tea cozys, it's all the same shit.

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 26 May 2005 16:15

at I would have said it this way....
I though second that and add footbag (or sports at all).

Base Jumping, Love, Computer Games.... take it like you want... these are drugs too. It's just the sublimated(sp?) way of getting high.
In fact, the humans own morphines are really heavy drugs.

professor · Post by **professor** » 26 May 2005 16:26

drug
n.

- A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 26 May 2005 16:32

(endorphines)
substances like choleine, (nor-)adrenaline etc. fit in that definition.
The things Seath and I mentioned make peoples neuronal emitters produce/spread such.

BainbridgeShred · Post by **BainbridgeShred** » 26 May 2005 17:24

It's not like drug topics are in the general footbag section. KICKING CIRCLE! I can't believe frournier's poetry was brought up, do you want him to stop writing it? You people are BLAH! Stop being pansies and dont read topics you don't like. Thanks Amelia for having something intelligent to say.

Had you actually read my post, you would have understood that I brang up Fournier's poetry to make the same point you just made.

wolfpac444 · Post by **wolfpac444** » 26 May 2005 20:25

comastalker wrote:It's just the sublimated(sp?) way of getting high.

Could you explain what you are trying to say when you use the word "sublimated" since I know that is not the word you're looking for and cannot think of any similar sounding / looking words that you might be thinking of?

comastalker wrote:Base Jumping, Love, Computer Games.... take it like you want... these are drugs too. . . . In fact, the humans own morphines are really heavy drugs.

Do you see any difference between, for example, playing sports and smoking pot as recreational activities? How about between spending time truly interacting with people instead of getting wasted (indeed)?

How many people have done things they regret while intoxicated that they wouldn't have done otherwise? Why?

How many people suffer from addiction? Why?

How many people can't go out to a bar with friends and not drink?

How many people use recreational drugs to escape life?

I feel that using recreational drugs for happiness / fun is a shallow replacement for life. I don't think I've seen one situation where it has made things better, but I've seen more than my fair share of incidents where it has definitely made things worse. As you've pointed out, there are definitely more constructive alternatives.

Guest_2 · Post by **Guest_2** » 26 May 2005 20:41

People do quite a lot of stupid shit because of love

comastalker · Post by **comastalker** » 27 May 2005 04:00

wolfpac444 wrote:
comastalker wrote:It's just the sublimated(sp?) way of getting high.
Could you explain what you are trying to say when you use the word "sublimated" since I know that is not the word you're looking for and cannot think of any similar sounding / looking words that you might be thinking of?

Well, that's really hard. In psychology, defined by Freud, there are several ways to deal with the conflict between society/mother (defines "Über-Ich") and tendency/instinct ("Es"). For example take the anal phase :
Children like to play with their rectal organs and what they produce this way. It's a way to deal with aggression and love ("libido"/"destrudo"); the big two factors of "Es". But there's one problem :
Mom doesn't like it's child to play with shit. So one way to get around this problem is what I translated (maybe the wrong way) "sublimating" which in fact could mean :
Child smudges Colors and mixes them and so on in an extra space. It creates something the society (in this early situation completely represented by mom) respects and it lives its "destrudo".

So to "sublimate" means to deal with instinct/tendencies in a way that is socially respected and/or wanted.

wolfpac444 wrote:
comastalker wrote:Base Jumping, Love, Computer Games.... take it like you want... these are drugs too. . . . In fact, the humans own morphines are really heavy drugs.
Do you see any difference between, for example, playing sports and smoking pot as recreational activities? How about between spending time truly interacting with people instead of getting wasted (indeed)?

So regarding the first question :
1. Not really except for the part of self-destruction, but that's up to everyone (footbag can also easily be self-destroying)
2. Smoking pot doesn't necessarily mean not to interact with others. In fact I only know one out of around 70-80 peoples who also smoke pot alone at all. Most drugs are and shall be consumed together with others.
For some specific drugs you should also have someone sober you can trust to guide you through possible paranoia (well I never took more than pot and one time mushrooms myself).

Well I always say it this way :
If you forget how to have fun (that is getting high) without drugs, you are maybe doing something wrong ("maybe" because there's no right or "wrong"). If you bring other people in danger (for example alcohol while driving) you're doing something really asocial and most people (including me) would consider that "wrong".
So to sum it up: There's nothing inherently wrong with drugs; it's the man that kills, not the gun. If you know how to use them and you know how not to use them it's OK. And my original intention was to stop you from calling drug users "weak minds" [indirect quote]. In fact I think (though I don't know you) there are many of them that have stronger minds than you. There's nothing wrong with controlled hedonism.

wolfpac444 wrote: How many people have done things they regret while intoxicated that they wouldn't have done otherwise? Why?

Well, at least for some drugs you could also turn that around :
"How many people have done things they regret while sober that they wouldn't have done otherwise? Why?"

A lot of aggression could have disappeared. Well it's not OK to say drugs may make you do/not do better things but there are (especially considering aggression) "weak minds" that make positive use (regarding the society) of drugs; e.g. to deal with aggression or stress. Remember that these factors both depend on each others and that smoking pot reduces stress by forcing the body to reduce colchicine amount.

How many people that now love each other for decades started while being drunken in a bar ? It's also possible to do it without alcohol, but it's harder for the majority.
Drugs are a tool, not a way.

And then there's the mentioned Love analogy...

wolfpac444 wrote: How many people suffer from addiction? Why?

A lot people here suffer from being addicted to sending SMS (or mobile phones in general). That's no joke ! They land on the streets. And here's my original point on what drugs are. Taking drugs doesn't need a weak mind; getting easily addicted does

wolfpac444 wrote: How many people can't go out to a bar with friends and not drink?

How many can't go without looking for a fuck ?
You see we are getting away from the drug but near the way people deal with them (e.g. love/sex). There a billions different people and by this billions different ways of dealing with drugs/stimulation/instinct

wolfpac444 wrote: How many people use recreational drugs to escape life?

Well I have to say I sometimes use footbag for that.
Doing 10 stringed symp moves makes it really hard to stay agressed or depressed. Footbagging is my "sublimation". Maybe that now gets clearer.
I know how to deal with such emotions the 'usual' way without 'tools' like footbag/drugs; but there's no sense not to use footbag if I keep knowing how to do it the hard way.
Again there's a need to define: What is escaping life ? When/how does it start ?

wolfpac444 wrote: I feel that using recreational drugs for happiness / fun is a shallow replacement for life. I don't think I've seen one situation where it has made things better, but I've seen more than my fair share of incidents where it has definitely made things worse. As you've pointed out, there are definitely more constructive alternatives.

Well I know a lot of situations where drugs have made things better in an easy way. Drugs are a tool, not a way.

Btw. : Except for drinking a beer at the weekends I don't take the drugs usually defined as such. I have my own drugs e.g. love and (love for) footbag.

junkyardjew · Post by **junkyardjew** » 27 May 2005 04:20

Richard, i quite like your point of view. I mean, it's probably clear from some of my earlier posts in drug threads that I'm a like- mind, but I enjoy how you define and defend your theses. I wish I spoke German, or that your first language was English.

sorin · Post by **sorin** » 27 May 2005 05:22

Gee, this was a philosophical outburst, i didn't feel like reading all of it, so i'll just post my opinion on drugs, so here it goes. I did my share of pot, and other things(was young&stupid) and by drugs i mean drugs, not love or SMS.
There are some very young people on this forum who could get the wrong idea, that drugs are a part of footbag. As i understand it the majority of players wants people to start thinking of footbag as a serious sport, and not a hippy thing potheads do to make the day go away. So at least for the image of footbag, drugs should have nothing to do here, there are other places to dicuss things like that.
I hate it when some idiot comes to me and says something like: "wooh, hackysack, nice, got/need some weed?"