Who Will Make BAP 2005?

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 12 Jun 2005 13:31

I don't think I'm worthy of NIP yet - I think only people who get inducted should be members. Oh and only half Japanese people too - Go John Mahood

FootbagginBum · Post by **FootbagginBum** » 12 Jun 2005 23:32

If I had the money to go...

I start runs with Assasin>phoenix... someone said that about Ricky...

I wish Ricky and Justin were totally better, lets all hope real hard and maybe they'll be a strong force soon.

Peace,
Bum

ShredOnLawn · Post by **ShredOnLawn** » 14 Jun 2005 00:05

I think the standard for BAP should be 30 guiltless contacts.

BalinorNZ · Post by **BalinorNZ** » 14 Jun 2005 00:20

ShredOnLawn wrote:I think the standard for BAP should be 30 guiltless contacts.

I hope you mean 30 unique guiltless.

dil_strz · Post by **dil_strz** » 16 Jun 2005 09:32

why unique? wouldn't that be enough?

ptaku · Post by **ptaku** » 16 Jun 2005 09:43

dil_strz wrote:why unique? wouldn't that be enough?

I think so... 30 isn't so much...

crazydwarf · Post by **crazydwarf** » 16 Jun 2005 09:59

Yeh it seems like it'd have to be unique, 30 doesn't seem that much to just go guiltless for... my records like 15 or something...

dil_strz · Post by **dil_strz** » 16 Jun 2005 10:32

In that case, do you still believe Lon thinks the standard should be 30 guiltless?

shreddaily · Post by **shreddaily** » 16 Jun 2005 13:59

The standard for bap should be to out-party the montana crew and still wake up in time for competition.

footbinc · Post by **footbinc** » 16 Jun 2005 14:24

Someone should start a BAP rival. Get some gang fights going.

Huge RUmbles at the finals at worlds, guys getting knifed and shit

Freestyle would be waay cooler.

Cheers

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 16 Jun 2005 14:53

NIP

Only half Japanese footbaggers who aren't interested in possies can be inducted...

FlexThis · Post by **FlexThis** » 16 Jun 2005 15:10

brian relly · Post by **brian relly** » 16 Jun 2005 15:30

shreddaily wrote:The standard for bap should be to out-party the montana crew and still wake up in time for competition.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

It's so true, though.

david · Post by **david** » 16 Jun 2005 15:47

jason croook - from video, yea. but how many people have played with him and can vouch for consistancy of shit like jani>fog?

-dave

FlexThis · Post by **FlexThis** » 16 Jun 2005 15:49

FlexThis · Post by **FlexThis** » 16 Jun 2005 15:50

Jeremy · Post by **Jeremy** » 16 Jun 2005 16:23

Yeah I'm sure he'd make BAP - but to make bap you need to go to big tournaments - I think on that criteria Jason just isn't good enough

This is why BAP is so silly - because of the term "bap quality"

Also re: 30 guiltless. I think there are lots of people - myself included - that could pretty easily hit 30 guiltless most of the time- especially if I only did moves and combos I could rely on - but that would be boring to watch and I don't think I am good enough to be in BAP just yet (if I wanted to be in it). I don't think you can set particular goals for BAP - the truth is you'll get into BAP if the people who are in BAP like you and think you're good at footbag. It might be a fun little group and it may have helped footbag once when things were very informal and lacking professionalism but these days I feel it's completely irrelevant to the sport of footbag.

With fear of sounding like a character from the Matrix - it's all about purpose. The purpose of BAP is to congratulate good footbaggers. The purpose of competition is to recognise good footbaggers. They both serve that purpose well - however BAP reflects footbag as a past time - which it is and if that's the important part of it for you - great. Competition reflects footbag as a sport. BAP has nothing to do with footbag as a sport.

The thing that has held footbag back for so long is its image - which is the image of a past time not a sport. In Australia (and many other countries) sport is taken seriously while past times are not. Past times are flying kites or collecting stamps - worthy activities and I don't have a problem with them (well stamp collecting is a bit nerdy

) but not taken very seriously. Skateboarding is taken seriously, rock climbing is taken seriously. Even chess is taken seriously. By taken seriously I mean - shown on tv - given sponsorship - given government funding - has books written about it.

My big goal in footbag (apart from personal skill goals) is to make footbag a real professional sport – so that all the players that spend countless hours of hard work (and a lot of the time it is hard work – it’s not fun – it might be rewarding) can get recognised for it – so that they can be appreciated for the time and effort they put in to improve themselves.

I know that some people would like footbag to stay a little underground community – where everybody knows everybody and are friends. That’s great. I see no reason why that would change if footbag suddenly became a pro sport. There would still be footbag forums – some of which could be kept underground – maybe even invite only. I will still be friends with all the people who post on this forum.

I’m not saying BAP is wrong or that it hurts footbag – just that it doesn’t help footbag anymore. It’s irrelevant. That’s why I don’t want to be in BAP. I don’t think I’d turn down a nomination to be honest – I just wouldn’t care. I’m proud to be a footbagger and I’m proud to have the respect of other footbaggers. I don’t need to divide myself away from other footbaggers of a lesser ability to have that respect or to be proud of it. I’m more proud of my IFPA membership than I would ever be of being in BAP.

Hmm... That was more of a rant than I intended

- I'm the person that started this topic

- I still enjoy discussing who will get in BAP - it's like discussing who will win Big Brother - pointless but somehow intriguing...

Maraxus · Post by **Maraxus** » 16 Jun 2005 20:06

Jason Crook is definately BAP worthy, it's insanity to question that. If you have the opportunity to come to SoCal and kick with him it's an experience. He's the best shuffler/technical player I have ever had the opportunity to play with and he busts hard. Jani > Fog was just what he was working on for that specific day. I have seen him hit Food > Blurry Torque, Food > Super Nova, Pheonix > Spike Hammer, Predator BSOS in a twenty contact run with paradox drifter > paradox torque BSOS in it, Genesis, and the list goes on. Yes, my videos do show highlights, but so does every footbag video! Each one of him in it is from parts, I say again, parts of ONE session in which I always end up having more footage then I can include in the video.

Enough from me, I just don't see how putting out two videos of Jason Crook from one session (Shapeshifter and Guess Who's Back?) isn't enough proof.

david · Post by **david** » 16 Jun 2005 20:47

chris kovacks anyone? not many people have seen him play since he got sick but hes been busting pretty hard and id say if hes on and plays in the right circles he could get in.

Muffinman · Post by **Muffinman** » 16 Jun 2005 20:56

It's hard for everyone to play with everyone and judge based on 2 day shredding non-stop with every player in the world, so I think it's only fair to base your personal opinion of a player's ability on online videos.
Based on what I've seen and heard Both Jason and David will make BAP, but as far as I know neither are going to Worlds? From what I've heard Jason only plays for fun and doesn't care about going to tournaments? Jason could have made BAP YEARS ago, though, if he had gone to tournaments. David's definately a force, and MIKKO LEPISTO! I wonder when another woman will make BAP. Who's in BAP -- Carol and Sam? Who will be next?